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Trump’s immigration plan is a recipe for civil war

I would NEVER vote for Trump, or Hillary, but this is BS.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
No it is not. And if you're going to claim something is accurate, at least learn how to spell the damn word right.



Arguing against anything Trump proposes is completely rational, because Trump is an irrational and sociopathic man.



Every nonsensical absurdity spewed from the ****hole of Trump's mouth is 'over the top exaggeration' and not even remotely based within the confines of reality.



Wrong again.
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So you can't argue against Trump's immigration plan without hyperbole. Interesting I guess. I suppose discussing the cost, effectiveness and how it will impact the economy is too complex.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
That's the way its shaping up. What cities/regions do you think will best form the front-line against the imminent Trump Presidency?
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No one. the people most armed and willing to conduct a civil war are all Trump fans, the activists who actually care that illegals get deported are not going to pick up a rifle and fight federal officers.
 
The U.S. government, without the consent of the American people, created this unprecedented situation - one in which the U.S. has within its borders people loyal to other nations - principally through the Hart-Celler Act of 1965, which upset the traditional demographic balance of this country. The traditional balance had been maintained through every single piece of immigration legislation from the very first one, which restricted citizenship to "free White persons".

Compounding the aberration that was the 1965 Immigration Act has been the peculiar and dystopian way in which the 14th Amendment has enabled mass illegal immigration across our Southern border. I can assure you that the drafters and ratifiers did not foresee millions of Hispanics pouring across our border as the consequence of their attempt to grant blacks citizenship and protection under the law.

If a civil war is inevitable, and I do not believe it is, then it is solely the U.S. government to blame, as its actions have abolished the social cohesion that has marked most of the U.S.'s existence.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
While I do believe that the "ZOMGZ TRUMP'S GONNA START WW3" hysteria is a bit much, I do not see a Second Civil War too far out of the realm of possibility.
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Just out of morbid curiosity, who do you foresee as the opposing sides in this upcoming civil war?
 
Abbazorkzog said:
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Trump’s immigration plan is a recipe for civil war

Fully enforcing border restrictions would tear America in half

Sending an amped-up ICE on a mass-deportation mission wouldn’t just be an assault on undocumented people and their families, it would be an attack on American cities, where more than 90 percent of them live. For large municipalities, rigorously enforcing immigration law is unfeasible but also politically unpopular. So-called “sanctuary cities” have declared their ongoing intention to drag their feet when it comes to cooperating with the Feds. For example, law enforcement in many cities (including New York) selectively complies with ICE requests to hold people in custody on suspicion of being undocumented. ICE can’t do their job without local cooperation and the use of these legally questionable detention orders has decreased by more than 70 percent in the last four years.

Local law enforcement might be a Trump ICE’s smallest problem. I don’t think any number of federal officers will be able, for example, to enter New York City and round up half a million people without meeting popular resistance. There are plenty of precedents. London’s Anti-Raids Network catalogs and organizes activism against immigration enforcement neighborhood by neighborhood. The group uses Twitter to spur immediate disruptions of raids in progress. American authorities may be better armed, but we also have a strong core of brave activists and organizers who are already changing the country from the street. And if only a small percentage of the various conspiracist anti-government fringe movements’ members aren’t white supremacists, the detention camps a Trump administration would have to hastily construct would push at least dozens of them over the edge.​



What say you, DP? Will you join in on the front-lines in the Independence Front against President Trump?
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If anyone takes this article seriously, they should reevaluate their decision to vote for anyone other than the only candidate with any serious chance of beating Trump in November.
 
Redress said:
So
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Preemptive capitulation noted.

you can't argue
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Wrong. It is you who cannot argue.

against Trump's
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Trump barely even exists, he is a shill in every possible aspect of the term. Donald Trump has flipflopped and virtually everything he has proposed. Of course, you will not be able to counter this assessment, as usual when you attempt to defend Trump against my scathing truths.

immigration plan
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PLAN!?

:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo

Deporting 11 million people and BANNING 1.5 BILLION FROM EVEN BEING IN THE U.S.A. IS A PLAN!? OMFG HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

without hyperbole.
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Apparently you don not even ****ing understand the definition of hyperbole. Hyperbole and facts are not the same.

Interesting I guess.
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Just stop. Quit with you're 'holier than thou' arrogant condescension. You know nothing. Your entire political persona is a poorly-structure 2-dimensional facade which I can see through with no effort, your ideologies are flimsy, your arguments are hollow, you offer no facts, no constructive criticism, no worthwhile contribution to the threads you post in. Literally like 90% of your posts are soundbite one-liners that anyone with even a fraction above the iota of average IQ can see through like glass... do you really think you are as smart as it seems you think you are? Because you're not. You cannot back up your single-layer partisan soundbites because you know nothing about the world around you other than what you are spoon-fed on MSNBC and CNN, I challenge you to an actual debate because then, maybe, the people of DP will see you for the charlatan you really are.

I suppose discussing the cost, effectiveness and how it will impact the economy is too complex.
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You wanna do this? C'mon then! C'mat me bro.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I'm down with something akin to the Anti-Raids Network. I'm not planning on taking part in armed rebellion at any point, however. I'm not raising arms against my own nation.
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I'm sure that if Trump became President and followed through on even a quarter of what he's proposed in his campaign a majority of the world would agree with those who made claims to his illegitimacy to preside, as is the entire point of this thread. As you can see, a majority of the people in this thread (you and I not included) somehow missed that.
 
Randolph said:
So you believe that every American who does not support Trump would take up arms to prevent illegal aliens from being deported?
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Not just illegal aliens being deported, but Trump's ICE terrorizing the cities in question indicative in the articles listed above. In addition to the already-sweeping bipartisan opposition to Trump unfolding in Washington, you would also have:
  • State Governors opposing him
  • Mayors the country over
  • World leaders
  • international organizations
  • State senators
  • Every congressman/woman
  • Financial experts when the economy is hit
  • National guards
  • intelligence community, and last but not least
  • military command.

The riots we're seeing now would erupt nationwide, on much larger scales, and simultaneously. It would be utter chaos.
There would also be a crime wave. It would be an asymmetric civil war in which the citizenry mobilized in its own right in the form of militia movements, and state/secessionist movements spearheaded by these governments, with the support of the demographics listed above, would represent the front lines. It would unlike the previous Civil War in almost every way.

The Trump administration would collapse in on itself due to President Trump's inability to govern without almost nigh-unanimous political opposition. He would likely try to preserve his governance mandate within a specified territory where he would have complete control (likely within the NY Metropolitan Area or Texas), a successor administration would take its place to preserve the U.S. (which really wouldn't be that difficult with the people on Capital Hill and across Virginia/Maryland who are already opposing him coming in to rather quickly and easily come in and pick up the pieces).

Of course, none of the articles above are even asserting that said civil war would even happen, just that said immigration policies would bring the nation to the tipping-point, where the slightest misstep attributed to President Trump could send us over the edge. I don't know where the other posters are getting this "HERPDERP ARTICLE SAYS TRUMPS WILL START CIVIL WAR II" bologna. The articles simply state, quite clearly, that his policies and his Presidency will result in a civil crisis that could LIKELY bring us into Civil War II if Trump is as foolhardy as he appears to be in his campaign speeches, the above scenario is just my take on what a Civil War II under President Trump would look like (should it occur). I think it is fairly reasonable to draw said conclusion from Trump as an individual that how he would govern would result in record-high civil unrest.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
Who made that argument?
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You.:
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No, that is not at all what I did. Try again...

Abbazorkzog said:
but this nonsense about civil war is being hyped up by fear mongers and/or idiots.
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So, I'll ask you again: how is Trump's immigration plan going to perpetuate the Status Quo or prevent a civil war? No credit for half-answer soundbites in the likeness of Redress.
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Strawman, the issue at hand is the assumption that Trump's plan will start a civil war. I do not have to support Trump or his Immigration Plan to point out that it is very unlikely that Trump of all people will kick off a civil war.

I do not have to prove Trump's plan would not prevent a civil war just to deal with a fear mongering hit piece trying to put forth the idea that it will.

I do not support Trump, I do not agree with his plan, nor do I think it will even happen anyway... and it still does not mean civil war is around the corner.

And lastly, the "Status Quo"... there is *absolutely nothing* about this election season or what is being proposed by either Trump or Hillary that is "Status Quo." They are both morons, and neither will start a civil war.

It is time to take off the aluminum foil hat and come back to reality.
 
OrphanSlug said:
No, that is not at all what I did. Try again...
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That is literally your quote.

Strawman, the issue at hand is the assumption that Trump's plan will start a civil war.
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That's not what the articles state.

I do not have to support Trump or his Immigration Plan to point out that it is very unlikely that Trump of all people will kick off a civil war.
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Whether or not you support it at all it is actually the opposite.

I do not have to prove Trump's plan would not prevent a civil war just to deal with a fear mongering hit piece trying to put forth the idea that it will.
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Lol. How is it fearmongering by simply stating that Trump's immigration plan is a recipe for civil war? Lol.

I do not support Trump, I do not agree with his plan, nor do I think it will even happen anyway... and it still does not mean civil war is around the corner.
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But it does not mean that a civil war is not around the corner either, which is what you are asserting.

And lastly, the "Status Quo"... there is *absolutely nothing* about this election season or what is being proposed by either Trump or Hillary that is "Status Quo."
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Hillary is quite clearly SQ.

They are both morons,
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Agreed.

and neither will start a civil war.
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Agreed. What about WW3?

It is time to take off the aluminum foil hat and come back to reality.
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Sorry, but you can't strawman or broadbrush me in with the David Icke crowd. Whether you like it or not, these are legit concerns, and your downplaying of them is disrespectful and kind of rude.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
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Trump’s immigration plan is a recipe for civil war

Fully enforcing border restrictions would tear America in half

Sending an amped-up ICE on a mass-deportation mission wouldn’t just be an assault on undocumented people and their families, it would be an attack on American cities, where more than 90 percent of them live. For large municipalities, rigorously enforcing immigration law is unfeasible but also politically unpopular. So-called “sanctuary cities” have declared their ongoing intention to drag their feet when it comes to cooperating with the Feds. For example, law enforcement in many cities (including New York) selectively complies with ICE requests to hold people in custody on suspicion of being undocumented. ICE can’t do their job without local cooperation and the use of these legally questionable detention orders has decreased by more than 70 percent in the last four years.

Local law enforcement might be a Trump ICE’s smallest problem. I don’t think any number of federal officers will be able, for example, to enter New York City and round up half a million people without meeting popular resistance. There are plenty of precedents. London’s Anti-Raids Network catalogs and organizes activism against immigration enforcement neighborhood by neighborhood. The group uses Twitter to spur immediate disruptions of raids in progress. American authorities may be better armed, but we also have a strong core of brave activists and organizers who are already changing the country from the street. And if only a small percentage of the various conspiracist anti-government fringe movements’ members aren’t white supremacists, the detention camps a Trump administration would have to hastily construct would push at least dozens of them over the edge.​



What say you, DP? Will you join in on the front-lines in the Independence Front against President Trump?
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Fine. Bring it on. A little chaos might do us some good. We'll call it... hm.... The Purge. :D
 
Abbazorkzog said:
We need it like a bad case of the clap, as another member once said.
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Well, it was really just a joke of the dark-humor variety. I'm a peaceable sort and don't really want chaos.


But I think that this concern is a bit overstated, especially the Civil War hype.


Enforcing the law as it exists with regard to unlawful aliens should not split the nation.
 
Goshin said:
Well, it was really just a joke of the dark-humor variety. I'm a peaceable sort and don't really want chaos.


But I think that this concern is a bit overstated, especially the Civil War hype.


Enforcing the law as it exists with regard to unlawful aliens should not split the nation.
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It shouldn't, but people are getting really stupid with the whole partisan thing. They're following these people like they're gods or something. And it is making them highly irrational, I wouldn't put it past the Trumpers to start a civil war or a civil violent conflict of some sort. It really doesn't seem that far-fetched. I don't think it would be the end of the world, per se. However. WW3 is very far-fetched.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
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Trump’s immigration plan is a recipe for civil war

Fully enforcing border restrictions would tear America in half

Sending an amped-up ICE on a mass-deportation mission wouldn’t just be an assault on undocumented people and their families, it would be an attack on American cities, where more than 90 percent of them live. For large municipalities, rigorously enforcing immigration law is unfeasible but also politically unpopular. So-called “sanctuary cities” have declared their ongoing intention to drag their feet when it comes to cooperating with the Feds. For example, law enforcement in many cities (including New York) selectively complies with ICE requests to hold people in custody on suspicion of being undocumented. ICE can’t do their job without local cooperation and the use of these legally questionable detention orders has decreased by more than 70 percent in the last four years.

Local law enforcement might be a Trump ICE’s smallest problem. I don’t think any number of federal officers will be able, for example, to enter New York City and round up half a million people without meeting popular resistance. There are plenty of precedents. London’s Anti-Raids Network catalogs and organizes activism against immigration enforcement neighborhood by neighborhood. The group uses Twitter to spur immediate disruptions of raids in progress. American authorities may be better armed, but we also have a strong core of brave activists and organizers who are already changing the country from the street. And if only a small percentage of the various conspiracist anti-government fringe movements’ members aren’t white supremacists, the detention camps a Trump administration would have to hastily construct would push at least dozens of them over the edge.​



What say you, DP? Will you join in on the front-lines in the Independence Front against President Trump?
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Hyperbole from Al Jazeera, HufPo and LA Times.

Nah...no comment.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Not just illegal aliens being deported, but Trump's ICE terrorizing the cities in question indicative in the articles listed above. In addition to the already-sweeping bipartisan opposition to Trump unfolding in Washington, you would also have:
  • State Governors opposing him
  • Mayors the country over
  • World leaders
  • international organizations
  • State senators
  • Every congressman/woman
  • Financial experts when the economy is hit
  • National guards
  • intelligence community, and last but not least
  • military command.

The riots we're seeing now would erupt nationwide, on much larger scales, and simultaneously. It would be utter chaos.
There would also be a crime wave. It would be an asymmetric civil war in which the citizenry mobilized in its own right in the form of militia movements, and state/secessionist movements spearheaded by these governments, with the support of the demographics listed above, would represent the front lines. It would unlike the previous Civil War in almost every way.

The Trump administration would collapse in on itself due to President Trump's inability to govern without almost nigh-unanimous political opposition. He would likely try to preserve his governance mandate within a specified territory where he would have complete control (likely within the NY Metropolitan Area or Texas), a successor administration would take its place to preserve the U.S. (which really wouldn't be that difficult with the people on Capital Hill and across Virginia/Maryland who are already opposing him coming in to rather quickly and easily come in and pick up the pieces).

Of course, none of the articles above are even asserting that said civil war would even happen, just that said immigration policies would bring the nation to the tipping-point, where the slightest misstep attributed to President Trump could send us over the edge. I don't know where the other posters are getting this "HERPDERP ARTICLE SAYS TRUMPS WILL START CIVIL WAR II" bologna. The articles simply state, quite clearly, that his policies and his Presidency will result in a civil crisis that could LIKELY bring us into Civil War II if Trump is as foolhardy as he appears to be in his campaign speeches, the above scenario is just my take on what a Civil War II under President Trump would look like (should it occur). I think it is fairly reasonable to draw said conclusion from Trump as an individual that how he would govern would result in record-high civil unrest.
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So basically you're saying the country's gonna end up looking like this:

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A civil war over illegals is probably unlikely. However, one could imagine conflict with a Trump administration, and elements of American society that could turn pretty nasty. In a sense, Trump has already helped set the stage for some unprecedented political act by lowering the bar as far as he has in public discourse and political debate. He has made the crass and startling commonplace, and devalued national institutions by his various objectionable and low brow pronouncements.

And so if we heard of a coup d'etat, or something similar, the stage for outrageousness would have already been set. It's not so hard to believe. Many at the top of the food chain, in the military, state department, and others, have gotten where they are by being fairly bright and accomplished. How would foreign policy professionals react, if a Trump administration urged the trashing of various international structures that many have worked for, fought for, for generations, not because of any analysis or new information, but because Trump has no information, and knows nothing? How would a general react to some offhand Trump command to launch a missile at this or that target due to personal pique, and not for any legitimate security purpose? How would an economist react to some Trump plan that would soon roll the US into depression, destroying the lives and resources of millions?

I'm not suggesting anything like a banana republic style takeover. In the US, in 2017, things would be much more subtle and stage managed, I'd be confident. It would probably look more like some general or senior staff member who suddenly seems to have no end of "good" advice for the president, who has now settled on a much more low key presidency, or at least that is the way the public would see it.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
It shouldn't, but people are getting really stupid with the whole partisan thing. They're following these people like they're gods or something. And it is making them highly irrational, I wouldn't put it past the Trumpers to start a civil war or a civil violent conflict of some sort. It really doesn't seem that far-fetched. I don't think it would be the end of the world, per se. However. WW3 is very far-fetched.
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Wait...what???

"I wouldn't put it past the Trumpers to start a civil war or a civil violent conflict of some sort."

Seriously?

If Trump wins...if Trump builds a wall...do you REALLY think Trump supporters will then go out and start warfare with...somebody (you don't say who, after all)?

Or...do you really mean to say that "some who DON'T support Trump will start warfare against Trump supporters"?

I mean, let's be realistic, eh? Trump supporters are not the ones known for flying off the handle and acting violent to the extent that the anti-Trump people do.

On the other hand, what you are contending sounds quite a bit like the twisted, spinning drivel that Hillary supporters are known for. Just saying...
 
Abbazorkzog said:
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Trump’s immigration plan is a recipe for civil war

Fully enforcing border restrictions would tear America in half

Sending an amped-up ICE on a mass-deportation mission wouldn’t just be an assault on undocumented people and their families, it would be an attack on American cities, where more than 90 percent of them live. For large municipalities, rigorously enforcing immigration law is unfeasible but also politically unpopular. So-called “sanctuary cities” have declared their ongoing intention to drag their feet when it comes to cooperating with the Feds. For example, law enforcement in many cities (including New York) selectively complies with ICE requests to hold people in custody on suspicion of being undocumented. ICE can’t do their job without local cooperation and the use of these legally questionable detention orders has decreased by more than 70 percent in the last four years.

Local law enforcement might be a Trump ICE’s smallest problem. I don’t think any number of federal officers will be able, for example, to enter New York City and round up half a million people without meeting popular resistance. There are plenty of precedents. London’s Anti-Raids Network catalogs and organizes activism against immigration enforcement neighborhood by neighborhood. The group uses Twitter to spur immediate disruptions of raids in progress. American authorities may be better armed, but we also have a strong core of brave activists and organizers who are already changing the country from the street. And if only a small percentage of the various conspiracist anti-government fringe movements’ members aren’t white supremacists, the detention camps a Trump administration would have to hastily construct would push at least dozens of them over the edge.​



What say you, DP? Will you join in on the front-lines in the Independence Front against President Trump?
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I guess I need to get off my ass and go cut some firewood.
 
I see illegal immigration as an outstanding argument going more than 20 years in the US. Both sides want a solution, Trump has one.
If anything, BLM will cause a rift in America that would spark a civil war.
Blacks are disproportionately affected by cancer among the ! 600,000 ! that are expected to die this year in the US alone. Why no protests? Because George Soros hasn't funded a Big Pharma riot yet... pfff. Compared to 24 black killings by cops (some of which are justified), there is no comparison.
George Soros destroyed my country of birth, Bulgaria, and many others around the world. America is next. That's a warning.

:peace
 
Abbazorkzog said:
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Trump’s immigration plan is a recipe for civil war

Fully enforcing border restrictions would tear America in half

Sending an amped-up ICE on a mass-deportation mission wouldn’t just be an assault on undocumented people and their families, it would be an attack on American cities, where more than 90 percent of them live. For large municipalities, rigorously enforcing immigration law is unfeasible but also politically unpopular. So-called “sanctuary cities” have declared their ongoing intention to drag their feet when it comes to cooperating with the Feds. For example, law enforcement in many cities (including New York) selectively complies with ICE requests to hold people in custody on suspicion of being undocumented. ICE can’t do their job without local cooperation and the use of these legally questionable detention orders has decreased by more than 70 percent in the last four years.

Local law enforcement might be a Trump ICE’s smallest problem. I don’t think any number of federal officers will be able, for example, to enter New York City and round up half a million people without meeting popular resistance. There are plenty of precedents. London’s Anti-Raids Network catalogs and organizes activism against immigration enforcement neighborhood by neighborhood. The group uses Twitter to spur immediate disruptions of raids in progress. American authorities may be better armed, but we also have a strong core of brave activists and organizers who are already changing the country from the street. And if only a small percentage of the various conspiracist anti-government fringe movements’ members aren’t white supremacists, the detention camps a Trump administration would have to hastily construct would push at least dozens of them over the edge.​



What say you, DP? Will you join in on the front-lines in the Independence Front against President Trump?
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Hold on.
A more than a year old opinion piece.
And on AlJazeera America, yet.
We learned recently that means Malcolm Harris is a Jihadist sympathizer.
What's he done for us lately.
 
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