Are Conservatives Better Off With a Trump Loss?

KevinKohler · Jul 26, 2016

cpwill said:
Trump spent (estimate) about $20 on his primary. The alternative to allowing individual funding is the media picking our leaders. That appears to have happened for both parties this year, and I have to say, I'm not impressed with their selection.

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Not even with the savvy displayed by someone who has played those whores for exactly what they are?

cpwill · Jul 26, 2016

KevinKohler said:
Not even with the savvy displayed by someone who has played those whores for exactly what they are?

Kim Kardashian?

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KevinKohler · Jul 26, 2016

cpwill said:
Kim Kardashian?

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Well....look....think of it this way. What, exactly, does Kim have to offer society at large? Nothing. Her ass isn't that great. Her tits, not noteworthy. And yet, she is a household name. In a world of survival of the fittest, one can only respect the ability to outgame another, when dealt a less than perfect hand. Personally, I hate the Kardashians. However, are they not a capitalist success story? With nothing but their wits and whiles, they have built an empire that is entirely apart from their sires, reliant only on the captivation of the witless masses. Hate her/them, yes. But respect them, yes.

cpwill · Jul 26, 2016

KevinKohler said:
Well....look....think of it this way. What, exactly, does Kim have to offer society at large? Nothing. Her ass isn't that great. Her tits, not noteworthy. And yet, she is a household name. In a world of survival of the fittest, one can only respect the ability to outgame another, when dealt a less than perfect hand. Personally, I hate the Kardashians. However, are they not a capitalist success story? With nothing but their wits and whiles, they have built an empire that is entirely apart from their sires, reliant only on the captivation of the witless masses. Hate her/them, yes. But respect them, yes.

As a choice for POTUS? No I don't.

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KevinKohler · Jul 26, 2016

cpwill said:
As a choice for POTUS? No I don't.

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We will, once again, have to agree to disagree. I think Trump is going to be awesome, in that, he is going to be absolutely awful. He's going to destroy the GOP.

My only regret is that Sanders was not able to run against him, to do similar damage to the DNC.

Perotista · Jul 26, 2016

jaeger19 said:
Not sure about that. I think it depends on how they view the Republican party with Hillary.

If they are the party of no as they were with Obama.. and constantly trying to shut down the government to defund planned parenthood and other BS we have been pulling.. I see a landslide for the democrats in the election.

If the republicans get ahead of Clinton and put forth healthcare bills that change obamacare, an bipartisan immigration bill, (no wall),., etc... they could end up winning in the midterms and then making her a one term president with the right candidate.

If Trump gets elected? I think you are spot on. Who knows though. He might surprise us. I am to young to remember Reagan.. (not saying he is a Reagan).. but didn't a whole lot of people think Reagan was just an actor?

I first became interested in politics watching the 1956 Democratic and Republican conventions on TV. No, Trump is far from Reagan. Reagan had eight years as a very successful Republican Governor of California prior to running for the presidency. He dealt with legislatures before and knew the art of politics was the possible. Reagan worked very successfully with Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O'Neal. Trump is no Reagan and about as far from Reagan as one can get.

I suppose either one, Trump or Clinton could be successful if they work more towards the middle. Call it middle America, more center left, center and center right than either extreme far right or left. Actually I think Trump would come closer to doing this than Clinton. Trump lifelong held political views were far more liberal than any of the other 17 candidates with the exception of Pataki. But both are from New York. Trump has since he announced his run as a Republicans changed a few of his lifelong held views.

But when one enters office with approximately 60% of all Americans disliking you and really don't want you in office regardless if it is Trump or Clinton. That will be a lot to overcome. How does one govern with a majority of Americans against along with the other party in congress?

cpwill · Jul 26, 2016

KevinKohler said:
We will, once again, have to agree to disagree. I think Trump is going to be awesome, in that, he is going to be absolutely awful. He's going to destroy the GOP.

My only regret is that Sanders was not able to run against him, to do similar damage to the DNC.

So you're getting a destroyed GOP and a working DNC. So you're getting single party rule.

Yeah. That usually works out well.

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KevinKohler · Jul 26, 2016

cpwill said:
So you're getting a destroyed GOP and a working DNC. So you're getting single party rule.

Yeah. That usually works out well.

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Single party DNC rule = destroyed DNC in no time flat.

cpwill · Jul 26, 2016

KevinKohler said:
Single party DNC rule = destroyed DNC in no time flat.

Is that how it worked last time? Or did we get two decades of single party rule?

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KevinKohler · Jul 26, 2016

cpwill said:
Is that how it worked last time? Or did we get two decades of single party rule?

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This is different. Bernie and trump support shows the extreme level of discontent.

KevinKohler · Jul 26, 2016

Basically, no one ever fixes **** that is kinda broken, still sorta working. **** has to be completely broken before people realize a fix is needed. I aim to help deliver that broken thing.

Patrickt · Jul 27, 2016

Any time a liberal Democrat like Trump loses it's a win for conservatives.

cpwill · Jul 27, 2016

KevinKohler said:
This is different. Bernie and trump support shows the extreme level of discontent.

:shrug: so the DNC will absorb them, and we'll have one-party-socialist rule.

Yay.

Moderate Right · Jul 29, 2016

Perotista said:
I've been thinking about this. I do think either Trump or Clinton will be horrible presidents. So horrible that if Clinton wins that the Republicans will have a landslide midterm congressional election. Then with a decent candidate, not Trump like, they'll waltz into the White House and increase their margins in the House and senate to FDR type numbers to where the GOP will have free reign.

Of course the opposite is true if Trump wins. The American people will be so peeved at Trump they will give the Democrats total control of congress in 2018 and the White House and FDR type numbers where the Dems will have free reign.

Which ever party wins this election it will take them 20-30 years to win another their candidates are so bad this time around.

Assuming this is true, what about SCOTUS? These are lifetime appointments.

Perotista · Jul 29, 2016

Moderate Right said:
Assuming this is true, what about SCOTUS? These are lifetime appointments.

Something the two parties should have thought of before they gave us so much disliked candidates that outside their avid supporters, no one wants to make the choice. 54% of all independents dislike both Trump and Clinton. What is worst is 24% of all Republicans dislike both Trump and Clinton while 20% of Democrats dislike both.

So who do these who dislike both vote for? Do they hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils? Do they stay home and say to heck with it? Do they vote third party? RCP in the four way race has it tied at 40% each. Reuters has it tied at 37% each. People just do not want to make the choice between Clinton and Trump, heck each of them is disliked by appropriately 60% of all Americans.

Did you know in the years 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012 when you add up the percentages between the two major party candidates in July polls, they come out to 92%. Not the 80% when adding RCP's percentages or the 74% when adding Reuters. Not in any of those years has a libertarian candidate ever received 1% of the vote. Never in their long history has any Libertarian candidate ever reached one percent. Yet the Libertarian candidate depending on the poll is sitting at between 5 to 10%. Jill Stein, Green Party, only Nadar in 2000 when he was the Green Party candidate received 2% of the total vote. Stein, Green Party is sitting at 3 to 5% of the total vote depending on the poll.

If given a choice of just Trump and Clinton, will not vote averages out to 15%, it goes down to 5% when Johnson and Stein are included. I suppose the bottom line here is if Clinton wins, it will be because the Republicans nominated Trump, a candidate that the majority of American really dislike. If Trump wins, the same can be said of Clinton. She is not liked either.

Neither party gave the SCOTUS a thought when they nominated their candidates. The only thing the Republicans thought about was how angry they were at their elected officials and the so called establishment. Not winning in November. Clinton, she was determined to be the Democratic nominee as far back as 2012 and some say 2008. The wheels were greased and the system rigged just for her.

Its too late now to start thinking about the SCOTUS. That was something to be thought of before the primaries, not just making a loud statement.