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So When Will Trump Finally Implode?

The Trump defeat will be gradual and a constant erosion over several months. There will probably be no one day big event causing the definitive implosion.

Trump is still on track to lose big in November and will do so causing the Senate to change control also. The best he can do is lost by seven or eight points with a solid chance at an even worse performance.

Right now he enjoys a brief uptick with the GOP uniting around him. The Dems will do the same shortly around Clinton and she will get the same sort of eight point bump that Trump is enjoying.

The fall campaign will destroy Trump and he will be sorry he ever stepped into this ring.

The two candidates who suffered the worst end of landslides in the past sixty years were Goldwater as a Republican in 64 and McGovern as a Democrat in 72. Although both men were very much opposites - the one thing that absolutely decimated them was their opponent was able to raise serious questions about their ability to protect the nation and lead us in the world. That is what will kill Trump in the end.
 
jimbo said:
Why not? The same people who currently support Trump, or at least don't support anyone else, are the ones who tried to send a message by firing Cantor, retiring Boehnor, and handed the R establishment both the House and Senate, and the message failed. Instead we got McConnell and Ryan. Sometimes you just have to start over.
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Do what you want. Purge your GOP of all the "RINO" you want. I do find it funny that your hero dour jour is a RINO, but hey, it's your party.

Just do not be surprised when 65% of the country votes for someone else.
 
calamity said:
He's worrying in many ways. That's why I believe in the end, people will choose Hillary over him. At least we know Hillary. Trump is too much of a wild card.
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Tough choice. Either trust a known lying, dishonest crook because we know her or take a chance on someone who is a wild card who could be another lying dishonest crook or one of the greatest presidents the country ever had (or somewhere in between). I'll take my 50/50 chance on someone I don't know rather than someone I do know. Common sense would dictate that you should already know that you can't trust a lying dishonest crook.
 
calamity said:
Do what you want. Purge your GOP of all the "RINO" you want. I do find it funny that your hero dour jour is a RINO, but hey, it's your party.

Just do not be surprised when 65% of the country votes for someone else.
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I don't question that Trump is not your standard establishment Republican. That's the point. I've had enough of standard Republican and Democrat. So no, it's not my party. Again, that's the point.

Would it be so that Trump's demise will happen overnight, or at least by the end of next week, surely by the final primary. He will certainly get creamed in the general.

Fact is, many polls put Trump/Hillary dead even, so this early I'd cover that 65% over bet.
 
calamity said:
That's just not realistic. It really isn't.
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I didn't say it was realistic or that it would happen. I just answered the question as to why Trump seems to get away with everything he says. That is the reason.
 
calamity said:
He's worrying in many ways. That's why I believe in the end, people will choose Hillary over him. At least we know Hillary. Trump is too much of a wild card.
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I doubt it. I think they will choose Joe Biden. I'm guessing Hillary is about as popular with the political establishment as Trump is.
 
fmw said:
I doubt it. I think they will choose Joe Biden. I'm guessing Hillary is about as popular with the political establishment as Trump is.
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I got lost in that reply somewhere. It is the political establishment that is rigging the election to help Hillary, the DNC, superdelegates and all. It is Bernie who is the anti-establishment candidate.
 
Moderate Right said:
I got lost in that reply somewhere. It is the political establishment that is rigging the election to help Hillary, the DNC, superdelegates and all. It is Bernie who is the anti-establishment candidate.
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I have a sneaking suspicion that Hillary may not make it through the convention. She is too easy to beat in the general election. Joe Biden would be a better choice for the democrats. He would likely win the election without a problem unless the republicans find a way to replace Trump.
 
haymarket said:
The Trump defeat will be gradual and a constant erosion over several months. There will probably be no one day big event causing the definitive implosion.

Trump is still on track to lose big in November and will do so causing the Senate to change control also. The best he can do is lost by seven or eight points with a solid chance at an even worse performance.

Right now he enjoys a brief uptick with the GOP uniting around him. The Dems will do the same shortly around Clinton and she will get the same sort of eight point bump that Trump is enjoying.

The fall campaign will destroy Trump and he will be sorry he ever stepped into this ring.
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Thanks for the hilarious perspective.
 
If the FBI indicts Hillary Clinton after the convention or if the Republican Party walks away from Donald Trump after the convention, it will be seen as a coup.

Whatever is going to happen from within the establishment in order to toss either or both of them overboard, it must happen before the end of July.

If both candidates survive the convention itself ..... then these will be the two election choices.

Calm
 
NIMBY said:
trump can't help himself--he's already calling GJ a "fringe" candidate and telling him to drop out
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Mark my words. If Trump loses the election, prepare for an onslaught of the Trumpeteers blaming it on Johnson. They'll make liberals in 2000 seem like gracious losers.
 
rocket88 said:
Mark my words. If Trump loses the election, prepare for an onslaught of the Trumpeteers blaming it on Johnson. They'll make liberals in 2000 seem like gracious losers.
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Mark your words? iLOL You say that like you think they are important or something.

If blame arises, you could either show that he would not have won even if he had all of the votes for that person, or you could not.
 
rocket88 said:
Mark my words. If Trump loses the election, prepare for an onslaught of the Trumpeteers blaming it on Johnson. They'll make liberals in 2000 seem like gracious losers.
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RCP has two new polls out today that include GJ--trump losing 45-42 to HRC in FL with GJ at 6--and trump losing the general 38-37 to HRC with GJ at 8. Imagine the implosion of trump if GJ makes the debates.

GJ needs the JS, BS, and never trump GOPs to coalesce if he's going to make the 15% threshold and start leading in states such as the 4-corners and NV. GJ doesn't just hurt the Teflon don, though trumpkins are getting nervous. I'm still waiting on Romney and Huntsman Sr.

GJ and WW need to go on the offensive before the two July conventions and go after as much free press as they can get--trump-style, only with dignity and issue-oriented--that's what America wants.

Did you see the NBC poll showing that 47% of Americans would consider the LP? I see it as a steam-roller--but GJ/WW must avoid Perot-type mistakes and immediately answer the trump tweet smear storm.

trump's complete implosion over the "Mexican" judge has even turned the stomachs of GOPs. We're losing count of his recent implosions--such as going all-Agnew on us with the press.

I'd like to ask you some questions about the CA primary with respect to Independents if you're open.

You touched me a few days ago with a few of your "from-the-gut" posts.

Sent from my iPhone .
 
Excon said:
Mark your words? iLOL You say that like you think they are important or something.

If blame arises, you could either show that he would not have won even if he had all of the votes for that person, or you could not.
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I see you're not following RCP polls, such as the two I noted in post #66--they're from June 3. Or check out the June 1st MI poll with trump losing to HRC 37-33 with Johnson at 12. rockett88 was spot-on about trumpkins crying over GJ, given that trump never loses fairly.

trump has certainly reset the bar this week at the bottom of the Marianas Trench with his trench warfare. I'm sure you're seeing the damage of trump's latest implosions, with his sewage/diarrhea vomit as if he's still in the GOP primaries .
 
NIMBY said:
rockett88 was spot-on about trumpkins crying over GJ, given that trump never loses fairly.
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Wrong.
The appearance of bias is there.



And time will tell on the rest.
 
When he gets the news that he lost in November he will have to wake up and face reality.
 
calamity said:
If this was anyone else, he already would have been the 2016 version of Howard Dean or Ross Perot. But, for one reason or another, the Donald survives and even thrives where others would crawl away and hide.

And yesterday's three strikes in one swoop day was one of those moments that should have driven a stake through the heart of even the most resilient of candidates. But...it doesn't look like it hurt Trump one bit.

If The Media Treated Trump Like Other Candidates, Yesterday Would Have Ended His Campaign



So, What gives?
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He will be running against someone who is much worse.
 
calamity said:
If this was anyone else, he already would have been the 2016 version of Howard Dean or Ross Perot. But, for one reason or another, the Donald survives and even thrives where others would crawl away and hide.

And yesterday's three strikes in one swoop day was one of those moments that should have driven a stake through the heart of even the most resilient of candidates. But...it doesn't look like it hurt Trump one bit.

If The Media Treated Trump Like Other Candidates, Yesterday Would Have Ended His Campaign



So, What gives?
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Here's the difference. Let's take Ted Cruz for instance. For months Trump called Cruz, Lyin' Ted and that nickname stuck because he said it every time he could, when it suited him. Then, he released a "fake" tabloid (no less) attack on Cruz and his supposed mistresses reaffirming the "fact" that Cruz was nothing but a sleazy guy and a lyin' cheater. Even though, these things have no basis in fact and Ted Cruz has had his own impressive career as a political outsider and is considered one of the most principled conservatives in Congress, Trump prevailed even though Trump is arguably all the things that he accused Cruz of being!

It doesn't matter, for the past twenty years Trump has been building an ego-fueled public profile which also has no basis in reality. He has NOT been a builder, like his campaign suggests. He has been and mostly always has been a Marketer! Why do you think he rents out his own freakin name???? As all signs point to the fact that he isn't a even a Billionaire. That doesn't matter, either. For decades politicians have been trying and failing to grab the spotlight to convince people to vote for them, and this guy has had it for twenty years! With the very public TV show, The Apprentice reaffirming the idea that he is a businessman. The difference between Trump and Clinton is that Trump is the bully and Clinton doesn't like to be bullied. No one does.

Obama, the Pope, Jeff Bezos, Mark Cuban, and Freaking Stephen Hawking as well as 400 high profile authors and just about every other high profile person who is not in Nascar or Duck Dynasty has attacked Trump and nothing worked. Why you ask? Trumpism is nothing but a cult.

How would I stop Trump if I were the Clintons? I would stop attacking the man and start by going after his supporters! It worked fairly well last election cycle on the Paul-bots. I am frankly stunned that late night has not even gone there yet. They are just laughing at Trump, when that clearly isn't working.

A good way to always stop the bully or kill a celebrity's status is to take away their audience. Not to give them unlimited access to one. That is the major mistake that the media and the politicians are making with Trump. They can easily cut him off, since they all think he is sooo terrible, but the media has been enjoying record numbers thanks to Trump's very presence in the 2016 race. Remember with what happened to Todd Akin??? But instead the party is trying to figure out how to embrace Trump!

That may not be able to get undone either. Even if the media stopped covering Trump, he will still be ingrained in the most gullible of American's minds. In every Man On The Street segment I've seen during the 2016 primary, most people knew Trump was running and that is scary. Think about it? When was the last time an idiot knew what politicians were running? I can't recall...Trump said he loves the poorly educated and this is why!
 
rocket88 said:
Mark my words. If Trump loses the election, prepare for an onslaught of the Trumpeteers blaming it on Johnson. They'll make liberals in 2000 seem like gracious losers.
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I've already seen high profile conservatives who should "like" Johnson attack Johnson for being a spoiler. Calling him a nut case. That's true, but their undying love for Trump is hypocritical. I thought Trump was sooo great why blame it on a guy who takes away 12% of the vote?? He should totally be able to get those 12% back by shooting someone in the streets right?
 
ObamacareFail said:
He will be running against someone who is much worse.
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Come back and tell us all about that after Trump loses in November.

Lots of Americans will be voting against Trump for the same reasons that others will be voting for him.

Wait and see.
 
shrubnose said:
Come back and tell us all about that after Trump loses in November.

Lots of Americans will be voting against Trump for the same reasons that others will be voting for him.

Wait and see.
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I don't think either Trump or Hillary are fit for office, sport. I am not voting for either of them. However Hillary will be the establishment candidate in a clearly anti-establishment election. She still has not put away Bernie yet. If I were a betting man.....my bet would be Hillary going down in flames.
 
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