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**** the Founding Fathers

dairyair said:
A lie about a BJ is worse than bribing a foreign gov't for personal gain. Come on man, be real.
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Not if it happens in the Oval office, and do you have ANYTHING that supports your "bribe"? The $B money we give away for FMS all over the world is all bribery, and the President SHOULD control it. I am real. I did that for five years.
 
Rich2018 said:
No it didn't

The trial showed Trump was guilty

And that is with McConnell's rigging of the trial and the unconstitutional threat to place disobedient GOP senators heads on a pike - now that bit was political




So basically it was nothing but a sham political move to reverse the decision of a democratic election, whereas Trump openly deserved to be removed with his blatant abuse of power.

No, it didn't except in D eyes.
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smallvoice said:
Not if it happens in the Oval office, and do you have ANYTHING that supports your "bribe"? The $B money we give away for FMS all over the world is all bribery, and the President SHOULD control it. I am real. I did that for five years.
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What?
Why does the location matter?

Yes, Impeached.
 
smallvoice said:
So basically it was nothing but a sham political move to reverse the decision of a democratic election, whereas Trump openly deserved to be removed with his blatant abuse of power.

No, it didn't except in D eyes.
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No, it was an honest attempt to rid the US government of a dishonest, inept, president who's causing damage to the country, and its political processes, through incompetence and abuse of power.
 
Rich2018 said:
No, it was an honest attempt to rid the US government of a dishonest, inept, president who's causing damage to the country, and its political processes, through incompetence and abuse of power.
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Other that nothing being "honest" about it, you are right. That is exactly what they failed to do. FAILED.
 
smallvoice said:
IT'S THE WHITE HOUSE.

"Impeached" rings hollow in this instance.
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So you think there's never been an extramarital affair to ever occur in the WH? In 270 yrs?
You support a prez who hired a prostitute while his 3RD WIFE, was near giving birth to his son. Spare me your faux pas.
Are you a tRump supporter? Any tRump supporter can never ever use some sort of sex morality as a defense.

Impeached doesn't ring hollow. It is a fact and will be recorded in history for as long as there is a history.
Impeachment isn't done lightly.
That's why one 3 pres in USA history has been impeached.
 
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smallvoice said:
Other that nothing being "honest" about it, you are right. That is exactly what they failed to do. FAILED.
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It was a completely honest and totally CONSTITUTIONALLY sound process.

Sadly it failed

But now GOP senators can't play the "we never knew" ignorance card.


People will remember how corrupt and spineless they behaved when they're up for election.
 
dairyair said:
So you think there's never been an extramarital affair to ever occur in the WH? In 270 yrs?
You support a prez who hired a prostitute while his 3RD WIFE, was near giving birth to his son. Spare me your faux pas.
Are you a tRump supporter? Any tRump supporter can never ever use some sort of sex morality as a defense.

Impeached doesn't ring hollow. It is a fact and will be recorded in history for as long as there is a history.
Impeachment isn't done lightly.
That's why one 3 pres in USA history has been impeached.
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Irrelevant, and you know it. THIS impeachment WAS done lightly, without ANY substantiating facts to allow removal. NONE.
 
smallvoice said:
Irrelevant, and you know it. THIS impeachment WAS done lightly, without ANY substantiating facts to allow removal. NONE.
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I don't know it.
For I do believe he tried to bribe a foreign gov't. He got caught and release aid the day after getting caught.

And he had one of his own party in the Senate vote to remove him from office. Making it bipartisan.
So, no it wasn't done lightly. Nor completely partisan.

That's why he is only the 3RD president to EVER BE IMPEACHED!!!!!


Cue the denial. Again.


I have never, nor will I ever, vote for an IMPEACHED president. Will you?
 
It was a completely dishonest but totally CONSTITUTIONALLY sound process.

Fortunately, it failed

But now Dim Representatives HAVE to play the "we never knew it wouldn't work" ignorance card.


People WILL remember how corrupt and spineless they behaved when they're up for election.
 
And you would be wrong, again. Your partisanslip is showing.

dairyair said:
I don't know it.
For I do believe he tried to bribe a foreign gov't. He got caught and release aid the day after getting caught.

And he had one of his own party in the Senate vote to remove him from office. Making it bipartisan.
So, no it wasn't done lightly. Nor completely partisan.

That's why he is only the 3RD president to EVER BE IMPEACHED!!!!!


Cue the denial. Again.


I have never, nor will I ever, vote for an IMPEACHED president. Will you?
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Yes, I will definitely vote for him again. You haven't offered anything better.
 
Rich2018 said:
Then how do you square that with:




You can't have voted for the best candidate for the country AND have voted Republican because it's just not possible.
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You're actually saying that Hillary would have been a better choice for president?
What could she have done that would make us any better off than where we are right now?
And don't tell me what a terrible person Trump is. That was factored in a long time ago.
 
smallvoice said:
And you would be wrong, again. Your partisanslip is showing.



Yes, I will definitely vote for him again. You haven't offered anything better.
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I am right.

You'd be wrong again.

I don't offer. I don't belong to either corrupt party.

I switch between the 2 to keep a balance so neither corrupt party gets complete control. They both hate the American dream.

Once upon a time, long long ago, the D party did care about American workers. That left with Clinton selling out to Gingrich and the R elites. Now they are all elites and only care about campaign donations.
 
jaypatriot said:
You're actually saying that Hillary would have been a better choice for president?
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The better question is why did so many degenerates make Trump the candidate?

What could she have done that would make us any better off than where we are right now?
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So you take prosperity at the price of integrity? Do you have a clue how long that lasts?

And don't tell me what a terrible person Trump is. That was factored in a long time ago.
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Only be the low intellect imbeciles that made him the candidate and then the President.
 
Rich2018 said:
No, it's more like Liberals will explain why a policy/law is good or bad
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Of course... nobody else does that but a liberal. This is such a glaring flaw in your thought process...you should see it at this point.

A Republican will just says "it's garbage" period
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Uh.huh

So why is a college being "liberal" a bad thing ?

Why is anybody being a "liberal" a bad thing ?
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It isn't.

But lately it is liberal colleges that are playing political correctness cops. They are the ones calling people having taco Tuesday at a fraternity... racist... they're the ones that say basically if you don't agree with them you're a racist... a sexist... a bigot... basically they're the ones attacking people over just being people ... for lack of a better term. Yes.

There are conservatives that are racist but there are also liberals that are racist. The few conservatives that are truly bad people are a vast minority that do the most horrific things. Driving into crowds of people. Blowing up abortion clinics. Even though that really never happens anymore. But the liberals nowadays are in your face all the time slandering people. Insulting people. Accusing people.

The percentage of liberals that are assholes is far higher than the percentage of conservatives that are assholes. They just maskit by pretending they have better values. Better morals. That is why they are hypocritical.

And That is why I said that should be balance. I asked for balance. You don't want balance. I'm the one playing common sense and fair play rules. You're the one who just thinks conservatives are bad. I think that there are good conservatives and bad conservatives. I think that there are good liberals and bad liberals. The independents are the only ones that really see things the way they are though...


You just have it in your head that it is bad but don't know why
That's being brain washed
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Uh.huh

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” - Socrates
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That quote is stupid. Slander can become the tool of the loser... slander itself does not mean that the user has lost though. Socrates is obviously a smart guy. Socrates made a stupid and illogical statement. People who repeat it are certainly not making themselves look very intelligent. A quote by smart person does not mean that is a smart quote.

You say you're not a Republican, yet you're arguing very much like one.
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Apparently you are just unable to differentiate between a person saying things you don't like and a person you don't like... ironically because you're brainwashed against conservatives. I know liberals that took the way I do. I know conservatives that talk the way I do. I know independence that talk the way I do. But not you... as you sit around with your Liberal buddies drinking coffee and bashing Trump I bet nobody dares to contradict anything you guys say... right? You guys all agree all the time... right?


You certainly don't explain yourself but you're full of diatribe and mindlessly insult like a Republican.
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I assume you are a college graduate... now you need to start reading and comprehending like one. Start thinking for yourself. The world is lot bigger than your narrow minded bigotry thanks that it
 
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prometeus said:
The better question is why did so many degenerates make Trump the candidate?

So you take prosperity at the price of integrity? Do you have a clue how long that lasts?

Only be the low intellect imbeciles that made him the candidate and then the President.
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People, worried about their financial existence, often vote with their wallets.
It's called survival in a capitalist society.
It's not about finding the politician with the highest level of integrity.
How long have you lived in our capitalist society?
 
dairyair said:
I don't know it.
For I do believe he tried to bribe a foreign gov't.
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Wait, he tried to bribe a government? I thought the scream was that he tried to blackmail it.

And where exactly is that illegal? Hell, that is simply Statesmanship, and we do it all the damned time.

When we wanted North Korea to stop building nukes, we bribed them with oil and money. Of course it did not work, but we did that several times.

And even the reverse. When Menachem Begin tried to walk out of the Camp David Peace Conference with Anwar Sadat, President Carter threatened him with the revocation of all aid to Israel if he did not at least return to the negotiation table in good faith. He did not even demand they agree, just that they returned to negotiation. How exactly is that different?

The US and every other government for centuries have used these two techniques in dealing with other nations. But you all are just pissed off because... Trump.
 
jaypatriot said:
People, worried about their financial existence, often vote with their wallets.
It's called survival in a capitalist society.
It's not about finding the politician with the highest level of integrity.
How long have you lived in our capitalist society?
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People, worried about their financial existence, often vote with their wallets.
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And that even goes for against Fundamental American principles

Why did you forget that?
 
Oozlefinch said:
Wait, he tried to bribe a government? I thought the scream was that he tried to blackmail it.

And where exactly is that illegal? Hell, that is simply Statesmanship, and we do it all the damned time.

When we wanted North Korea to stop building nukes, we bribed them with oil and money. Of course it did not work, but we did that several times.

And even the reverse. When Menachem Begin tried to walk out of the Camp David Peace Conference with Anwar Sadat, President Carter threatened him with the revocation of all aid to Israel if he did not at least return to the negotiation table in good faith. He did not even demand they agree, just that they returned to negotiation. How exactly is that different?

The US and every other government for centuries have used these two techniques in dealing with other nations. But you all are just pissed off because... Trump.
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Who said illegal?
He didn't actually get to bribe. For he released the aid money the day after he got caught using the aid money as bribe for personal political gain.
 
jaypatriot said:
You're actually saying that Hillary would have been a better choice for president?
What could she have done that would make us any better off than where we are right now?
And don't tell me what a terrible person Trump is. That was factored in a long time ago.
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Absolutely

It's actually hard to think of a politician who would be a worse president than Trump.

Under Hilary, the USA would've kept its friend and reputation and not been a laughing stock around the world.
 
smallvoice said:
Other that nothing being "honest" about it, you are right. That is exactly what they failed to do. FAILED.
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The process was ENTIRELY within the procedures laid down in the Constitution.

It was an honest attempt to get rid of the most corrupt and incompetent president in modern times. a man morally bankrupt a completely unfit for office.
 
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