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**** the Founding Fathers

Rexedgar

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If they were so smart, how come they didn’t foresee where the US finds itself today?


Tired of hearing about the FF and what they meant........
 
If they were so smart, how come they didn’t foresee where the US finds itself today?


Tired of hearing about the FF and what they meant........
And where have we found ourselves? You're not skycrying already are ya?
 
Tough day? Shut off the computer and just relax! ;) :2wave:
 
If they were so smart, how come they didn’t foresee where the US finds itself today?


Tired of hearing about the FF and what they meant........

They did their best they could to help us, it was we who stopped listening, this is our fault.
 
If they were so smart, how come they didn’t foresee where the US finds itself today?


Tired of hearing about the FF and what they meant........

What? Leader of the Free World? Greatest economy in history? Leader in personal rights and freedoms? Let me know when I get close...
 
If they were so smart, how come they didn’t foresee where the US finds itself today?


Tired of hearing about the FF and what they meant........

There was no way to cover every contingency.

The FF never envisioned someone as corrupt as Donald Trump as president nor a Senate as ethically emasculated as the GOP majority 116th.
 
If they were so smart, how come they didn’t foresee where the US finds itself today?


Tired of hearing about the FF and what they meant........

Perhaps you would prefer being more like Central America.
 
If they were so smart, how come they didn’t foresee where the US finds itself today?


Tired of hearing about the FF and what they meant........

The country only had a population of 4 million people back then, they couldn't even envision a toaster never mind foresee the type of corruption on a scale that's only been possible because of the modern era. The founding fathers did their best but there was no way they could envision that the country would grow to 327 million people and bring with it all the progress, industrialization, regulations, and men with evil intent. Progress and growth led to greed and corruption of the sort that could only be realized by men living in the modern era.
 
There was no way to cover every contingency.

The FF never envisioned someone as corrupt as Donald Trump as president nor a Senate as ethically emasculated as the GOP majority 116th.

You can vote them out in a few months if you so choose. See the forefathers already gave you the ability to change things. The problem with lefties is essentially this. You have no idea how to cope with the reality of not getting your way. Sorry the forefathers did not plan for participation award leaders.
 
The country only had a population of 4 million people back then, they couldn't even envision a toaster never mind foresee the type of corruption on a scale that's only been possible because of the modern era. The founding fathers did their best but there was no way they could envision that the country would grow to 327 million people and bring with it all the progress, industrialization, regulations, and men with evil intent. Progress and growth led to greed and corruption of the sort that could only be realized by men living in the modern era.

Then vote in November and stop crying about it. What exactly do you guys think works better than democratic elections? Maybe try running candidates that can win next time. So far you have a 78 yr old socialist who thinks the green new deal is realistic and an articulate mayor who thinks making heroin legal is a great idea.....Then you guys come here and hariously blame the forefathers for your pisspoor judgement in your candidates. This on the heels of a faux russia spygate, kavanugh rapist accusations and an impeachment that was purely a political assault on a sitting President. Cry all you want, but you guys brought this **** upon yourselves.
 
The founding fathers did their part. People like you **** on their work...well...thats on you.

You cant spend 3+ years defending an FBI and rat party smear job desperately trying to overthrow the results of a democratically held election simply because you are too pathetic to accept that you lost and then **** yourself about the sad state of affairs fo the country. That just makes you sound...silly.
 
Then vote in November and stop crying about it. What exactly do you guys think works better than democratic elections? Maybe try running candidates that can win next time. So far you have a 78 yr old socialist who thinks the green new deal is realistic and an articulate mayor who thinks making heroin legal is a great idea.....Then you guys come here and hariously blame the forefathers for your pisspoor judgement in your candidates. This on the heels of a faux russia spygate, kavanugh rapist accusations and an impeachment that was purely a political assault on a sitting President. Cry all you want, but you guys brought this **** upon yourselves.

Excuse me? Are you implying in some bizarre way that I, in any way, voiced a complaint in my comment? Geeze you are one angry dude, aren't ya?

And incidentally, this country is in a heap of corruption because YOU PEOPLE voted for him!
 
Excuse me? Are you implying in some bizarre way that I, in any way, voiced a complaint in my comment? Geeze you are one angry dude, aren't ya?

Then explain what exactly you believe the forefathers had wrong. I don't see how having elections doesn't satisfy the left. Do you seriously expect that you should always be the winners in them? What is the iasue exactly?
 
Then explain what exactly you believe the forefathers had wrong. I don't see how having elections doesn't satisfy the left. Do you seriously expect that you should always be the winners in them? What is the iasue exactly?

This is the comment that I replied to:

If they were so smart, how come they didn’t foresee where the US finds itself today?

I gave a comprehensive and logical explanation as to why things of today couldn't even be imagined by men that lived two hundred and forty three years ago. So, what's your problem exactly?
 
I gave a comprehensive and logical explanation as to why things of today couldn't even be imagined by men that lived two hundred and forth three years ago. So, what's your problem exactly?

I am asking you what exactly your issue is with what they did. Do you have an issue? If so say it. If not then what exactly was the point ofbyour post?
 
If they were so smart, how come they didn’t foresee where the US finds itself today?


Tired of hearing about the FF and what they meant........

A country at peace where most conflict consists of us yelling at each other and screaming at the moon instead of murdering each other on streets and battlefields?

A booming economy as the result of incredible technology with affordable high standards of living for the vast majority of citizens?

A country in which slavery was abolished and the descendants of slaves actually have a chance to achieve the highest levels of wealth and government office?

Yeah. They really screwed the pooch and set us down the wrong path, Rexedgar. Better to have remained a country Balkanized among the English, French and Spanish Empires.
 
I am asking you what exactly your issue is with what they did. Do you have an issue? If so say it. If not then what exactly was the point ofbyour post?

I was not responding to your question, I was responding to Rexedgar. I have no intention of indulging you in your little tirade.
 
I was not responding to your question, I was responding to Rexedgar. I have no intention of indulging you in your little tirade.

Oh my bad...I thought I could respond to comments made in a public forum. Also, I'm not the one on a tirade. I am asking what the forefathers got wronf and have yet to see one cogent response much less an answer.
 
There was no way to cover every contingency.

The FF never envisioned someone as corrupt as Donald Trump as president nor a Senate as ethically emasculated as the GOP majority 116th.

sure they did.

Washington's farewell address said:
I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Avalon Project - Washington's Farewell Address 1796
 
This is the comment that I replied to:



I gave a comprehensive and logical explanation as to why things of today couldn't even be imagined by men that lived two hundred and forty three years ago. So, what's your problem exactly?

Yes......and what exactly did they not forsee? So far I am not seeing one thing they got wrong nor have you listed one. If I came off as gruff I apologize. I am simply looking for responses. As a constitutionalist I always find this type of topic fascinating.
 
If they were so smart, how come they didn’t foresee where the US finds itself today?
They did. But the mechanisms they set into place to prevent a slide into a dictatorship (balance of powers, competition between branches, the Electoral College, impeachment etc) have a hard time stopping a mendacious authoritarian with no conscience and no shame, who has co-opted an entire political party.
 
If they were so smart, how come they didn’t foresee where the US finds itself today?


Tired of hearing about the FF and what they meant........

They were smart and wise enough to forge a nation out of chaos and create the world's greatest democracy. The fact we f***ed it all up is not on them. That's like blaming our parents for flunking out of college. At some point, we have to accept responsibility for our own actions.
 
They did their best they could to help us, it was we who stopped listening, this is our fault.

Agreed. Worse, we keep screwing it up by failing to hold our leaders to a higher standard and by condoning corruption. Instead most just point fingers and blame everyone but themselves.
 
Agreed. Worse, we keep screwing it up by failing to hold our leaders to a higher standard and by condoning corruption. Instead most just point fingers and blame everyone but themselves.

I was hearing sometime back from someone who is in a position to know that if one today walks into a so-called elite or upper crust university they would be hard pressed to find any book or writings in a curriculum that is older than 30 years.

Everyone assumes, without examination, that old equals useless in the modern world.

The Modern Morons stopped listening, mostly pursue fantasy instead.
 
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