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My Pet Amendment

ttwtt78640 said:
You do not understand how apportionment works. The cost would be closer to $90B/year or 1/435 of the annual federal "budget".
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You only need 1 more than half Congress to pass legislation.
 
Lisa said:
Rational levels of gun control.

The 2nd was written in an era when we didn't have a standing professional army and it create a militia army of citizen soldiers. That obviously doesnt apply now.
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The very concept of a militia is an 18th century relic.
 
TurtleDude said:
disarming honest people is one of the most idiotic suggestions I have seen.
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Armed civilians aren't an effective deterrent to dictators. Where were they to keep Hilter, Saddam, Franco, Mussolini, and others out of power? We need a better way that is more effective and reliable, with less bloodshed and doesn't rip the country in half.
 
TurtleDude said:
disarming honest people is one of the most idiotic suggestions I have seen.
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How is taking away their guns, "idiotic" ?

Let's take away all guns*


*possibly allow some competition and hunting guns and those used for pest control.
 
Lisa said:
Armed civilians aren't an effective deterrent to dictators. Where were they to keep Hilter, Saddam, Franco, Mussolini, and others out of power? We need a better way that is more effective and reliable, with less bloodshed and doesn't rip the country in half.
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that is because the first things dictators do is disarm people who oppose them. Wonder why democrats want to disarm gun owners?
 
Rich2018 said:
How is taking away their guns, "idiotic" ?

Let's take away all guns*


*possibly allow some competition and hunting guns and those used for pest control.
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you have already admitted that gun bans will disarm law abiding citizens long before criminals. I can only conclude you support violent criminals having safer environments
 
Rich2018 said:
The very concept of a militia is an 18th century relic.
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A militia will never be effective against a professional, and well-funded army. There would be small pockets of resistance but the fight would be over in less than 30 days.

We need a better way that is more effective and less bloodshed.

We need to find a foolproof way to keep certain people and personality types out of power.
 
TurtleDude said:
you have already admitted that gun bans will disarm law abiding citizens long before criminals. I can only conclude you support violent criminals having safer environments
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I do not support criminals. That is your idea and not mine. Don't expect me to defend your ideas or claims.
 
Lisa said:
I do not support criminals. That is your idea and not mine. Don't expect me to defend your ideas or claims.
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you might not overtly support criminals but your ideas-if put into action-would.
 
Bullseye said:
So you favor criminals and terrorist owning the weapons?
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Why do you LIE about a poster favoring criminals and terrorists owning all the weapons, Bullseye?

This level of political discourse is an example of politics being forever broken in this Nation.
 
Linc said:
Why do you LIE about a poster favoring criminals and terrorists owning all the weapons, Bullseye?

This level of political discourse is an example of politics being forever broken in this Nation.
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banning firearms has that effect
 
Linc said:
I see you support his lie also.
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it is the truth. gun bans only disarm law abiding citizens-not criminals, not terrorists.
 
TurtleDude said:
banning firearms has that effect
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GOPutins who support trump are certainly the ones who favor corrupt dictators, their proxy terrorists, along with corruption and treason at the highest levels across the Executive Branch and the Senate.
 
Linc said:
GOPutins who support trump are certainly the ones who favor corrupt dictators, their proxy terrorists, along with corruption and treason at the highest levels across the Executive Branch and the Senate.
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TDS nonsense: what amendment would you want Linc?
 
Linc said:
Why do you LIE about a poster favoring criminals and terrorists owning all the weapons, Bullseye?

This level of political discourse is an example of politics being forever broken in this Nation.
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No lie involved. Criminals are not going to forfeit their weapons if 2nd Amendment were repealed, but honest one likely would. Net result criminals own gun weapons.
 
Lisa said:
How do you plan to pay the bills of government if there is no tax? Yiou can't run the government on bake sales and donations.
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How was the Government afforded prior to the 16th amendment. Try going back to how it was done them.

The major problem is not revenue. It is that Congress will spend ever dollar and more. So block them from spending more.
 
Robertinfremont said:
How was the Government afforded prior to the 16th amendment. Try going back to how it was done them.

The major problem is not revenue. It is that Congress will spend ever dollar and more. So block them from spending more.
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if you repeal the 17th senators stop being whores who pander to special interests all over the country and would be more likely to push the interests of their home states
 
Robertinfremont said:
How was the Government afforded prior to the 16th amendment. Try going back to how it was done them.

The major problem is not revenue. It is that Congress will spend ever dollar and more. So block them from spending more.
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Do you want to live in the 1870s like the Amish?

It was funded by a large port of alcohol taxes.

They will fund the programs that their supporters approve of and let the rest go unfunded as a way to get rid of them.
 
TurtleDude said:
that is because the first things dictators do is disarm people who oppose them. Wonder why democrats want to disarm gun owners?
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I don't know if this is hysteria or paranoia from a man claiming to be a 30 year experience lawyer in prosecution AND a constitutional lawyer.

If I got this right, Democrats want to confiscate guns because that's the first step in establishing a dictatorship.


Regardless of the fact that guns have been banned across western Europe and Australia (rifles only I think).

So if Democracy is strong enough to resist dictatorship in those countries, why do you fear America's democracy is so much weaker and fragile ?
 
TurtleDude said:
you have already admitted that gun bans will disarm law abiding citizens long before criminals. I can only conclude you support violent criminals having safer environments
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Gun bans will disarm law abiding citizens, yes of course they will

And by definition, people disobeying a law banning guns will be criminals

And yes, criminals will have guns longer - decades even. But so what ?
 
Rich2018 said:
I don't know if this is hysteria or paranoia from a man claiming to be a 30 year experience lawyer in prosecution AND a constitutional lawyer.

If I got this right, Democrats want to confiscate guns because that's the first step in establishing a dictatorship.


Regardless of the fact that guns have been banned across western Europe and Australia (rifles only I think).

So if Democracy is strong enough to resist dictatorship in those countries, why do you fear America's democracy is so much weaker and fragile ?
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I am curious, you constantly make comments about my past office. what do you think you accomplish by that?

the fact is-democrats in Va, California, Maryland, NJ, CT, and NY prove what their ultimate goals are.
 
Lisa said:
Do you want to live in the 1870s like the Amish?

It was funded by a large port of alcohol taxes.

They will fund the programs that their supporters approve of and let the rest go unfunded as a way to get rid of them.
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Okay Dokey. Fine with me. I want to see the Budget finally balanced.
 
Rich2018 said:
Gun bans will disarm law abiding citizens, yes of course they will

And by definition, people disobeying a law banning guns will be criminals

And yes, criminals will have guns longer - decades even. But so what ?
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so your goal is a society where criminals are armed and honest citizens have no ability to defend against them

good thinking there.
 
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