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    Re: Commerce Clause discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Samwise View Post
    With foreign nations, among the several states, and with the Indian tribes.

    I don't see how any of that applies to my next door neighbor.
    Because they inhabit a US state and may even be a member of an Native American tribe.

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    Re: Commerce Clause discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Samwise View Post
    With foreign nations, among the several states, and with the Indian tribes.

    I don't see how any of that applies to my next door neighbor.
    Well, if you think your neighbor might not violate your rights then maybe you don't think the courts have any role in our society. History tells us a different tale though. The only rights any of us have are those enforced by the state. The idea that your rights do not demand state enforcement is a fantasy.
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    Re: Commerce Clause discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Because they inhabit a US state and may even be a member of an Native American tribe.
    It doesn't say that. I think you're making **** up.

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    Re: Commerce Clause discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadinho View Post
    Well, if you think your neighbor might not violate your rights then maybe you don't think the courts have any role in our society. History tells us a different tale though. The only rights any of us have are those enforced by the state. The idea that your rights do not demand state enforcement is a fantasy.
    The only rights you have is what the state lets you have.

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    Re: Commerce Clause discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadinho View Post
    Well, if you think your neighbor might not violate your rights then maybe you don't think the courts have any role in our society. History tells us a different tale though. The only rights any of us have are those enforced by the state. The idea that your rights do not demand state enforcement is a fantasy.
    So we can agree that you are not one of the several states, nor are you a foreign state or an Indian tribe. So there really is no reason for congress to interfere with your commerce or anything else for that matter.

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    The only rights you have is what the state lets you have.

    True
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    Re: Commerce Clause discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Samwise View Post
    It doesn't say that. I think you're making **** up.
    In recent times that s the very liberal interpretation of the Constitution which allows Congress to pass laws on virtually all walks of life.

    From federal laws prohibiting interference with smoke detectors on commercial airplanes to the banning of "bump stocks" across the USA.

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    Re: Commerce Clause discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Samwise View Post
    Benito Mussolini would be proud of you.
    Ciao Samwise.


    As the Italians used to say, Il Duce is always right....until they shot him and hung him upside down from a Milanese gas station.


    But it's true, every right that everyone has in the world, is what their government let's them have.

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    Re: Commerce Clause discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadinho View Post
    When I read a response like this I wonder how anyone with any basic understanding of history could possibly ask me to expand on how the current legal structure did not improve both labor and capital over time. Perhaps you think labor has been hurt in relation to capital. That is a valid point of view considering the vast inequities we see today.
    Ok. So if Iím understanding what you wrote correctly, youíre saying that the current legal structure is both to thank and blame for the current state of economic affairs in America?

    Can you see my confusion?

    When you ask me to explain how environmental laws and the use of the commerce clause to justify these laws is something you need clarification on, I wonder if you know much about our history. Or does the environmental damage of unfettered business interests in a nation like China appeal to you? Look, if you want to have a serious discussion, I am game. But playing rhetorical games is not my cup of tea. Engage honestly and with integrity and I will be your huckleberry.
    Iím pretty familiar with our history. Maybe you could specify the law(s) you believe have had a positive environmental impact? Iím not disagreeing with you. Just looking for clarification.



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    Re: Commerce Clause discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I'm afraid I need backup for that.
    You could start by reading the link.

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