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    Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    This is a big question in this country these days. There are many who 'believe' that Christianity and the Bible brought about the Constitution that formed the United States of America.

    At a rally at a church in Miami, last week Trump said, “Very soon I’ll be taking action to safeguard students and teachers’ First Amendment rights to pray in our schools. They want to take that right along with many other ones.” Who are these horrible "They"?

    What prayers will be pushed into public schools? What faith will be promoted by government regulations? A clause in the U.S. Constitution prohibits the government from promoting one religion over the other, which means public schools don’t promote prayer or religious symbols. Well --- public schools aren't supposed to promote prayer or have religious symbols in their buildings or on the grounds.

    What did the Founding Fathers think about religion and its place in society? Did they use the Bible to formulate the laws of the new nation?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    No... (end thread.)
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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is a big question in this country these days. There are many who 'believe' that Christianity and the Bible brought about the Constitution that formed the United States of America.

    At a rally at a church in Miami, last week Trump said, “Very soon I’ll be taking action to safeguard students and teachers’ First Amendment rights to pray in our schools. They want to take that right along with many other ones.” Who are these horrible "They"?

    What prayers will be pushed into public schools? What faith will be promoted by government regulations? A clause in the U.S. Constitution prohibits the government from promoting one religion over the other, which means public schools don’t promote prayer or religious symbols. Well --- public schools aren't supposed to promote prayer or have religious symbols in their buildings or on the grounds.

    What did the Founding Fathers think about religion and its place in society? Did they use the Bible to formulate the laws of the new nation?
    Find the word Christian in the Constitution.

    If you look at other writings of the Founders, i think it's pretty clear they did not.


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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is a big question in this country these days. There are many who 'believe' that Christianity and the Bible brought about the Constitution that formed the United States of America.

    At a rally at a church in Miami, last week Trump said, “Very soon I’ll be taking action to safeguard students and teachers’ First Amendment rights to pray in our schools. They want to take that right along with many other ones.” Who are these horrible "They"?

    What prayers will be pushed into public schools? What faith will be promoted by government regulations? A clause in the U.S. Constitution prohibits the government from promoting one religion over the other, which means public schools don’t promote prayer or religious symbols. Well --- public schools aren't supposed to promote prayer or have religious symbols in their buildings or on the grounds.

    What did the Founding Fathers think about religion and its place in society? Did they use the Bible to formulate the laws of the new nation?
    “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams

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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams
    The quote comes from Adams letter to the "Officers of the first Brigade of the third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts" 11 Oct 1798
    But should the people of America once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another, and towards foreign nations, which assumes the language of justice and moderation, while it is practising iniquity and extravagance, and displays in the most captivating manner the charming pictures of candour, frankness, and sincerity, while it is rioting in the rapine and insolence, this country will be the most miserable habitation in the world. Because we have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, and licentiousness would break the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

    Later in his life, John Adams wrote to Thomas Jefferson, thanking him for the loan of books written by Charles Francois Dupuis
    For the last year or two I have devoted myself to this kind of study, and have read fifteen volumes of Grimm, seven volumes of Tucker's Neddy Search, twelve volumes of Dupuis, and Tracy's Analysis, and four volumes of Jesuitical History! Romances all! I have learned nothing of importance to me, for they have made no change in my moral or religious creed, which has, for fifty or sixty years, been contained in four short words, "Be just and good." In this result they all agree with me.

    Dupuis may be seen as one of the earliest promoters of the "mythical Christ" thesis.

    Although the U.S. Constitution arose in a Christian culture in which certain natural rights were widely believed to be God-given, its drafters looked more to Athens and Rome than to Mt. Sinai for pragmatic, actionable insights about democracy, republicanism, federalism, and separation of powers.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams
    Meanwhile, Jefferson took his Bible and cut and pasted the New Testament so that it would reflect a more deist belief and took out things like the miracles and resurection. BTW, for many decades from 1900 to 1960 (I think, double check me on the years), copies of it were given to Congress...

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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Find the word Christian in the Constitution.

    If you look at other writings of the Founders, i think it's pretty clear they did not.
    The American Christian government complex revival took place in the 1950's. When people say, "Back in the day", they think they are referencing 1776. They are actually referencing 1957. Traditional Christianity was known by early Americans but it wasn't predominant as it is now. Evangelical Christianity wasn't even invented until the mid 1800's. Historically Christians weren't retarded. The retardation of Christianity didn't happen until the evangelical movement took root.

    In the past Christians were intelligent and thinking people. Read the Westminister Confession or the Second London Baptist Confession. They were written in the 1600's by brilliant people. Read a Chic Trac. The Chic Tracs were written by retards in the late 1900's. The retarded form of Christianity that we have today was not even known to early Americans.

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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    It is also fun to note that the Presbyterian movement of the 17th century believed in being heavily involved in the shaping of government. The Baptists of the 17th century wanted no part in the affairs of government. Baptists were even the champions of separation of church and state. Those intelligent Baptists of that time knew that Bible literalism was too retarded for normal people. Now Baptists do not even realize the retardation of taking the Bible literally.

    I guess the Baptist of that time actually read the Bible and knew it was a tough sale. The Baptist of today think it is a totally reasonable position to take.

    They must not have read the verses that says God will use the ways of the foolish to confound the wise. They must not have read about their obligation to be not conformed to the world but to be rather transformed. Believing the Bible literally is a gift for the few. That position is impossible for the masses.

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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by gooseneck View Post
    The American Christian government complex revival took place in the 1950's. When people say, "Back in the day", they think they are referencing 1776. They are actually referencing 1957. Traditional Christianity was known by early Americans but it wasn't predominant as it is now. Evangelical Christianity wasn't even invented until the mid 1800's. Historically Christians weren't retarded. The retardation of Christianity didn't happen until the evangelical movement took root.

    In the past Christians were intelligent and thinking people. Read the Westminister Confession or the Second London Baptist Confession. They were written in the 1600's by brilliant people. Read a Chic Trac. The Chic Tracs were written by retards in the late 1900's. The retarded form of Christianity that we have today was not even known to early Americans.
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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is a big question in this country these days. There are many who 'believe' that Christianity and the Bible brought about the Constitution that formed the United States of America.

    At a rally at a church in Miami, last week Trump said, “Very soon I’ll be taking action to safeguard students and teachers’ First Amendment rights to pray in our schools. They want to take that right along with many other ones.” Who are these horrible "They"?

    What prayers will be pushed into public schools? What faith will be promoted by government regulations? A clause in the U.S. Constitution prohibits the government from promoting one religion over the other, which means public schools don’t promote prayer or religious symbols. Well --- public schools aren't supposed to promote prayer or have religious symbols in their buildings or on the grounds.

    What did the Founding Fathers think about religion and its place in society? Did they use the Bible to formulate the laws of the new nation?
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