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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

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    LOL yep born and raised. Currently about 30 mins south but just easier to say Pittsburgh...

    and i have to agree there are exceptionally good people here. I didnt realize that until i was older and traveled a lot more.
    That's literally how the world works.

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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir View Post
    That's literally how the world works.

    Welcome aboard, Three Rivers Guy.
    HAHAHAHA very true . . .
    I guess I was just shocked over how in general people are way more personable here and have a basic level of respect/manners that some places have basically none of . . .

    I havent been to a lot of places but another place like it is suburbs of Chicago, very similar. The other place i have been arent all bad by any means but definitely lesser in that category.
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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is a big question in this country these days. There are many who 'believe' that Christianity and the Bible brought about the Constitution that formed the United States of America.

    At a rally at a church in Miami, last week Trump said, “Very soon I’ll be taking action to safeguard students and teachers’ First Amendment rights to pray in our schools. They want to take that right along with many other ones.” Who are these horrible "They"?

    What prayers will be pushed into public schools? What faith will be promoted by government regulations? A clause in the U.S. Constitution prohibits the government from promoting one religion over the other, which means public schools don’t promote prayer or religious symbols. Well --- public schools aren't supposed to promote prayer or have religious symbols in their buildings or on the grounds.

    What did the Founding Fathers think about religion and its place in society? Did they use the Bible to formulate the laws of the new nation?
    Certainly, the Founding Fathers did not believe the Establishment Clause prohibited prayer in public school, since they started their day in Congress with prayer.

    The Founding Fathers would be hemorrhaging over the secularization of our country. Guaranteed.

    Also, the fundamental tenants of our Constitution rest in judeo-Christian mores.


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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by clapee View Post
    Certainly, the Founding Fathers did not believe the Establishment Clause prohibited prayer in public school, since they started their day in Congress with prayer.

    The Founding Fathers would be hemorrhaging over the secularization of our country. Guaranteed.

    Also, the fundamental tenants of our Constitution rest in judeo-Christian mores.


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    Grammar first - the word you should have used is TENETS - noun: a principle or belief, especially one of the main principles of a religion or philosophy. Often confused as we can read here on DP with "TENANTS" - noun: persons who occupy land or property rented from a landlord.

    History for the uneducated
    The Founders of the United States were a mixed bag of devout Christians, social Christians and Deists. Some of them changed their beliefs during their lifetimes and some didn't. John Adams, for example, went from being a person who believed in the standard Christianity of his period to being a Deist later in life. Many of the Founders attended universities that were as much seminaries as what we see as today's liberal arts colleges. Patrick Henry was one of those Christians who believed Virginia should support Christian churches - a 'liberal' idea in that period, as other states supported just one church. State support of one church, taxing all residents to support that one faith, was the reason that Thomas Jefferson wrote his infamous "Letter to the Danbury Baptists".

    When Jefferson established the University of Virginia, he was adamant that there would be no ministers among the teachers of the new school

    James Madison, between 1820 and 1830, wrote a series of essays known as the “Detached Memoranda,” on a range of topics, including religious freedom.

    In one essay, Madison asked the question, “Is the appointment of Chap*lains to the two Houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom?”

    He then answers himself: “In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative. The Constitution of the U.S. forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion. The law ap*pointing Chaplains establishes a religious wor*ship for the national representatives, to be performed by Ministers of religion, elected by a majority of them; and these are to be paid out of the national taxes. Does not this involve the principle of a national establishment, applicable to a provision for a religious worship for the Constituent as well as of the representative Body, approved by the majority, and conducted by Ministers of religion paid by the entire nation[?]”

    Concludes Madison, “The establishment of the chaplainship to Cong(res)s is a palpable violation of equal rights, as well as of Constitutional principles.”
    Madison's notes written during the Constitutional Convention failed to mention the Bible as the source for any reasoning behind the governance of the new nation.

    In his, Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, John Adams also never noted any connection between the kingdoms found in the Old and New Testament and the form of government established under the Constitution.

    I have serious doubts that the Founders would be "hemorrhaging" over the reduction in the influence of Christianity on our modern society but that's just my opinion, an opinion supported by actual history.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Holy nuttiness . . again its like you are reading somebody else posts, are you drinking? LMAO
    Are you researching ?

    LMAOROTFL


    to address the bolded since its where all your nonsensical replies have flew of the rails theres nothing i said in any fashion whatsoever that even rationally hints at such a claim and thats where your mistake is and you have been corrected multiple times now. If you are still having trouble with this fact I have no idea how to help because again you are failing at basic English and context. The best I have to offer is maybe go back and read the post i was replying to and then my post again, if that doesnt work its simply your issue to deal with lol sorry.
    So what are you saying?

    If the majority of people want payers in scholl then it's OK

    or

    Prayers in school are OK regardless of the level of public support


    You do a poor job at explaining your position.

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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    1.) Are you researching? LMAOROTFL
    2.)So what are you saying? If the majority of people want payers in scholl then it's OK
    or
    Prayers in school are OK regardless of the level of public support
    3.)You do a poor job at explaining your position.
    1.) no research is needed to see the factual mistake and nuttiness in your reply
    2.) none of that was said and again any assumption of that makes ZERO sense
    3.) facts prove otherwise since YOU are the only one confused and made up a bunch of irrational stuff that had nothing to do with my post LMAO

    Like i said your mistake and problems are yours, if reading the post i was replying too and re-reading my post doesnt help you then i certainly cant fix your type of irrational assumptions and mistakes. Good luck to you!

    Maybe try with some other basic questions so you can avoid your mistakes because nobody has a clue what you are talking about in regards to my post.
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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by clapee View Post
    Certainly, the Founding Fathers did not believe the Establishment Clause prohibited prayer in public school, since they started their day in Congress with prayer.

    The Founding Fathers would be hemorrhaging over the secularization of our country. Guaranteed.

    Also, the fundamental tenants of our Constitution rest in judeo-Christian mores.


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    Jefferson had a few choice words about religious belief.

    No religious reading, instruction or exercise, shall be prescribed or practiced [in the elementary schools] inconsistent with the tenets of any religious sect or denomination."

    Source: Thomas Jefferson, Note to Elementary School Act, 1817.
    "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."

    Source: Letter of Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814.
    "I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no power to prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority."

    Source: Letter of Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Miller, 1808.

    We the General Assembly of Virginia do enact that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.

    — Virginia Statute for Religious Liberty
    “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) no research is needed to see the factual mistake and nuttiness in your reply...
    Why bother to research when you have prejudice coupled with ignorance?


    2.) none of that was said and again any assumption of that makes ZERO sense
    To someone who does no research and relied on ignorant personal opinion, I can believe that


    3.) facts prove otherwise since YOU are the only one confused and made up a bunch of irrational stuff that had nothing to do with my post LMAO
    What facts? You don't do research remember? You've got your highly personal OPINIONS


    Like i said your mistake and problems are yours, if reading the post i was replying too and re-reading my post doesnt help you then i certainly cant fix your type of irrational assumptions and mistakes. Good luck to you!

    Maybe try with some other basic questions so you can avoid your mistakes because nobody has a clue what you are talking about in regards to my post.
    Reading your unsubstantiated opinions is hardly any help to anyone.

    Congratulations, another post full of personal opinion and utterly devoid of facts and factual evidence.

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    Re: Does the Constitution make America a Christian nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Why bother to research when you have prejudice coupled with ignorance?




    To someone who does no research and relied on ignorant personal opinion, I can believe that




    What facts? You don't do research remember? You've got your highly personal OPINIONS




    Reading your unsubstantiated opinions is hardly any help to anyone.

    Congratulations, another post full of personal opinion and utterly devoid of facts and factual evidence.
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Holy triggered posted meltdown and lies batman!!!
    The best part of your posted meltdown and failed lies is that its still 100% your mistake. Your posts dont even making sense and have nothing to do with what I actually posted they are so hilariously angry over a made up fantasy in your head that was never said

    go ahead, post another meltdown its awesome!!!


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