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Should the Senate be Eliminated

Samwise

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Should the senate be eliminated because it gives unequal representation to people of the several sovereign states?
 
Samwise said:
Should the senate be eliminated because it gives unequal representation to people of the several sovereign states?
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Heavens no. If anything, we need to get rid of Direct Election of Senators.
 
cpwill said:
Heavens no. If anything, we need to get rid of Direct Election of Senators.
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Senate should either be eliminated or returned to its initial purpose of representing the states.
 
jimbo said:
Senate should either be eliminated or returned to its initial purpose of representing the states.
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The Senate helps keep things from happening. I'd rather add a third legislative body that did nothing but veto things than get rid of the second.
 
Return the "United State of America" to being the "United States of America"?
That would require repealing the 17th amendment.
I've suggested that many times, along with repealing the 16th amendment.
Our form of government fundamentally changed in 1913 with dire and growing consequences for each successive generation to contend with.
 
cpwill said:
The Senate helps keep things from happening. I'd rather add a third legislative body that did nothing but veto things than get rid of the second.
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Oooh, very John Stuart Mill of you.

Or perhaps, Robert Heinlein.
 
cpwill said:
Service Means Citizenship! :mrgreen:
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I've heard it said that the moon is a harsh mistress.

I'm still curious whether or not @Haymarket will chime in. He asked me to create this thread...
 
Samwise said:
I've heard it said that the moon is a harsh mistress.
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I like small government, but that one was....

.... well, that one was a bit naive :)
 
cpwill said:
I like small government, but that one was....

.... well, that one was a bit naive :)
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Is that the one that had hellwhips? Or was that Hyperion? I can't remember.
 
Samwise said:
Should the senate be eliminated because it gives unequal representation to people of the several sovereign states?
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Sure. Lose an election then change the country so you never lose again. Screw those who disagree with you. Turn them into cheese.
 
Samwise said:
Is that the one that had hellwhips? Or was that Hyperion? I can't remember.
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It's the one in which Anarchy works because people are basically Good.
 
cpwill said:
It's the one in which Anarchy works because people are basically Good.
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We all know that people aren't basically good. That's why we all support government by the people.
 
Not until we can pack the Supreme Court.
 
SDET said:
Not until we can pack the Supreme Court.
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With people who aren't basically good. That's why that will never work. People aren't basically good.
 
cpwill said:
It's the one in which Anarchy works because people are basically Good.
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People are basically good? Or people are basically bad? What's your stance?
 
Samwise said:
With people who aren't basically good. That's why that will never work. People aren't basically good.
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If we need details on how to implement it, we can hire Nicholas Maduro as a consultant.
 
The Senate was designed to be a damper on the mob rule of the House; the idea was to protect minorities from "majority rule". Whether it still serves that purpose is questionable.
 
SDET said:
If we need details on how to implement it, we can hire Nicholas Maduro as a consultant.
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Hm. You didn't actually answer my question. Are people basically good, or are people basically bad?
 
cpwill said:
Heavens no. If anything, we need to get rid of Direct Election of Senators.
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There were issues with the State legislatures electing Senators that went into Senators not being seated and all sorts of corruption. But I didn't think that the solution was to scrap it all and have direct elections of senators. I liked that the House was for the People and the Senate was for the States, and believe that the distinction was important representation in the Federal legislature. I certainly would support a return to the State governments seating senators, though we'd likely need some better structure to help avoid corruption and force the States to seat senators within some given time frame.
 
Samwise said:
Hm. You didn't actually answer my question. Are people basically good, or are people basically bad?
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I changed my signature, just for you. That should answer your question.
 
Samwise said:
We all know that people aren't basically good. That's why we all support government by the people.
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:( I wish that were the case. Damn Rousseau and his acolytes.
 
SDET said:
I changed my signature, just for you. That should answer your question.
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So you're saying that people are basically bad. Then how can we have basically bad people rule over the rest of us?
 
Samwise said:
So you're saying that people are basically bad. Then how can we have basically bad people rule over the rest of us?
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It only works with a jealously guarded Second Amendment.
 
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