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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    You mean like a membership of the UN ?

    Britain doesn't recognize US states as having sovereignty. A US state is not independent and does not have its own foreign policy. A sovereign state does.

    Pennsylvania (for example) owes sovereignty to the USA - you may recall what happened the last time a group of US states declared that they had sovereignty.

    You are a citizen of the USA not your state.

    When it joined the USA, it ceded sovereignty to it.
    Where does it say that?

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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

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    Where does it say that?
    On the front cover of your passport.

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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    On the front cover of your passport.
    So, I'm right. There is nothing in the constitution that indicates that any of the states were giving up their sovereignty.

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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Samwise View Post
    So, I'm right. There is nothing in the constitution that indicates that any of the states were giving up their sovereignty.
    Or the people either.

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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    You mean like a membership of the UN ?

    Britain doesn't recognize US states as having sovereignty. A US state is not independent and does not have its own foreign policy. A sovereign state does.

    Pennsylvania (for example) owes sovereignty to the USA - you may recall what happened the last time a group of US states declared that they had sovereignty.

    You are a citizen of the USA not your state.




    When it joined the USA, it ceded sovereignty to it.
    No, when the States created the Central government they only ceded specific rights to the central government, these rights are spelled out in Article 1 sections 8,9 and 10. All other powers are reserved to the People and the States. The intent of creating a central government was to deal with "external issues" and all "domestic issues" were to handled by the States.

    The States are free to form their own government, make their own laws as long as they conform to the Constitution in which "they the States" created. The Central government did not create itself in which all States are subjugated unto it, on the contrary, the central government is subjugated unto the States.
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