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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Great.

    US states still have no sovereignty though. They are not sovereign states.

    Germany is a sovereign state. Pennsylvania is not - are you saying there is no difference ?

    I think you need to state what your criteria is for a state to have "sovereignty"
    Be recognized by international law as a sovereign state. This occurred in the Treaty of Paris.

    It's not, so what ?

    North Korea can call itself a democracy - it's not.

    See above, Pennsylvania does not have sovereignty. As stated you must determine the qualifying criteria first.

    Note: Saying so in a document doesn't make it so.
    What is the legal vehicle it used to cede its sovereignty?

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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Samwise View Post
    Be recognized by international law as a sovereign state. This occurred in the Treaty of Paris.
    You mean like a membership of the UN ?

    Britain doesn't recognize US states as having sovereignty. A US state is not independent and does not have its own foreign policy. A sovereign state does.

    Pennsylvania (for example) owes sovereignty to the USA - you may recall what happened the last time a group of US states declared that they had sovereignty.

    You are a citizen of the USA not your state.

    What is the legal vehicle it used to cede its sovereignty?

    When it joined the USA, it ceded sovereignty to it.

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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    In the coming decades, the liberals will probably abolish the Electoral College and the Senate.

    Presidents will be elected by popular vote, and the House will be the sole legislative branch.

    Like it or not, the future belongs to the liberals.

    Those Americans who do not like it will have to grin and bear it or emigrate.
    Then we can eliminate the States as well, just have one government governing everything kind of like Stalin. Where the majority picks the government and if your a minority and you complain, GULAG for you.
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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

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    Then we can eliminate the States as well, just have one government governing everything kind of like Stalin. Where the majority picks the government and if your a minority and you complain, GULAG for you.

    Why would a minority face the GULAG ?

    Does that happen in any other Western democracy ?

    Why do you fear American democracy is so unstable ?

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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Terryj View Post
    Then we can eliminate the States as well, just have one government governing everything kind of like Stalin.


    I have read that before the Civil War, many people said "The United States are " but after the Civil War, people started switching to "The United States is ."

    Have a nice weekend!

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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    I have read that before the Civil War, many people said "The United States are …" but after the Civil War, people started switching to "The United States is …."

    Have a nice weekend!
    That's an interesting point - I'll need to research that.

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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

    If anything we should get rid of the House. They are in a constant state of reelection recycle, they are essentially ****ing worthless, and they allow pockets of some of the dumbest people in the country to continue to send 'representation' to a governing body that brings shame to the Constitution and republic. Rather than provide accurate representation of states rights, they give excess weight to accumulated masses in cities with high population areas, giving undue federal power to individual states.

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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Samwise View Post
    Should the senate be eliminated because it gives unequal representation to people of the several sovereign states?
    Fine by me.
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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Why would a minority face the GULAG ?

    Does that happen in any other Western democracy ?

    Why do you fear American democracy is so unstable ?
    Look where we are at right now in this country, if you are a Trump supporter or a Republican you could be be assaulted for just presenting your views. It's not a very far reach to suggest that with a majority rule via popular vote and doing away with the Senate could led to such actions. It's happened to other countries and we are not immune to human behavior.
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    Re: Should the Senate be Eliminated

    Quote Originally Posted by Terryj View Post
    Look where we are at right now in this country, if you are a Trump supporter or a Republican you could be be assaulted for just presenting your views....

    That's politics (and religion or sport) for you the world over.

    Promote British Conservative policies in the wrong pub and you can get yourself assaulted

    You don'y get the secret police knocking at your door though in the UK or the USA


    It's not a very far reach to suggest that with a majority rule via popular vote and doing away with the Senate could led to such actions. It's happened to other countries and we are not immune to human behavior.

    What is wrong with ruling by majority vote ?
    It happens in the UK and so far after hundreds of years, the UK remains a democracy


    The constant US elections and check and balances in the USA just delivers political inertia, like when you have a president from one party and a congress dominated by the other.

    The US president should not be the head of government, the leader of the House should.

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