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Foreign Policy Isn’t Just Up To Trump

ClaraD said:
Vindman is a citizen and has just as much a right as anyone to weigh in on the President's policies whether it bothers you are not.
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Of course the junior officer is a citizen and can disobey orders and violate his chain of command. But when he does he should be stripped of his uniform like Chuck Connors was and sent out to play with the dummass kids where he is in no danger of doing any harm.
 
marke said:
Buckaroo Obama started his own war with Libya and single-handedly overthrew Gaddafi, paving the way for his Muslim brothers to come in and massacre innocent civilians. He didn't need no stinking congress or court telling him he could or could not do because he was king of the realm and had his phone and pen.



Trump is not a slave. He should fire the self-important buffoon who dishonestly claimed he dictated American policy to President Zelensky in contradiction to Trump's wishes. Col. Jackazz Vindmann admitted later that he never did actually talk with President Zelensky, but his story tale did make him look like he was someone really important.
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Why would trump making a back room deal with Putin Make him his slave?!?

It is just part of theBS and logical fallacy deflections... conservatives take it to teextreme and pretend that is the liberal mainstream..


Besides.. Trump is obviously the slave master and his supports the slaves...

Just like he said “they would support me if I murdered someone on time square “.

He knows y’all are his stooges.


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marke said:
Dummass hero worshippers think the lying buffoon told the truth when he said he had to personally warn Zelenski not to completely cooperate with Trump. Vindmann never talked with Zelenski. He was lying through his teeth just to make himself look important. He had a job to do and he failed miserably to perform his prescribed duties. He was not a hero. He was a jackazz failure.

Trump was his boss and the buffoon had other bosses between him and Trump as well. He totally violated his oath of office and deliberately bypassed his chain of command in his mutinous rebellion against his military and civilian bosses. The pompous lying beribboned jackazz was not in charge, Trump was.
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Lt Col Vindman was telling the truth when he testified in accordance with his oath of office and sense of duty. The fact that his testimony was against your hero is why you're butt-hurt.

Why do you eulogize such a buffoon and criminal as Trump ?

Lt Col Vindman is a mutineer, did you actually say that ? His chain of command means nothing in the situation - which Btw he testified that he kept his superior informed ?

When this is over and hopefully Trump is removed like he so richly deserves, I hope Lt Col Vindman is properly rewarded for his integrity, his honesty and above all for his courage.
 
marke said:
Nonsense. The military aid was released according to normal procedures and on time and no conditions....
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No

The Congressional approved aid was held up until the Ukraine did what Trump demanded of them. Trump wa only forced to release it after he got caught red-handed. He then had no choice to release the aid and make that ridiculous "no quid pro quo" phone call with Sondland.
He'd been found out and been FORCED to release the military aid to cover his tracks and people like you fell for it because Trump always wraps himself up with faux patriotism.
Trump is no patriot - now he's saying he held up the aid for the country not for him.


...if democrats wanted to catch Trump then they should have waited for him to commit the crime they are accusing him of supposedly wanting to commit...
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They didn't know about Trump's crime until the whistle blower came forward and the complaint blew up. Then congress could see what Trump was trying to do. His is a rogue president and his impeachment is vital if the Constitution is to mean anything


They have in effect done what is unacceptable in court as may be illustrated by a group of overzealous prosecutors nailing a potential murderer before the murderer ever committed the crime...
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Congress is a group of very reluctant prosecutors that have done what unfortunately had to be done to call a halt to Trump's unacceptable behavior. To use your own analogy, the murderer cannot be allowed to comm it any more murders

...on the sole basis of their suspicions which lack any actual evidence.
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No, on the basis of a mountain of evidence of corruption, bribery, extortion and even treason.
 
ArtemisBarca said:
Why would trump making a back room deal with Putin Make him his slave?!?
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Putin is a very wicked and dangerous man. He welcomes Trump's attempts to create harmony between the two world powers while at the same time dumping millions of dollars into the personal piggy bank foundations of democrat politicians.

It is just part of theBS and logical fallacy deflections... conservatives take it to teextreme and pretend that is the liberal mainstream..
Besides.. Trump is obviously the slave master and his supports the slaves...
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It's just too bad Hillary thought herself above having to try to please her 'subjects' like Trump found so successful in 2016.

Just like he said “they would support me if I murdered someone on time square “.
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We admit he has some flaws, but so did his opponent, only worse. At least Trump never abandoned Americans on the battlefield while amassing a fortune in donations from enemies of the American state.

He knows y’all are his stooges.
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Yep. Weeze be his boys alright, and not his opponent's bitches.

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Rich2018 said:
Lt Col Vindman was telling the truth when he testified in accordance with his oath of office and sense of duty. The fact that his testimony was against your hero is why you're butt-hurt.
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Vindmann: "I personally warned Zelenski not to get involved in American politics."

Question: 'How many time did you talk with Zelenski?"

Vindmann: "I don't recall. Several."

Question: "In what setting? In his office? At another location, maybe?"

Vindmann: "Mostly in group settings."

Question: "Col. Vindmann, did you ever actually speak with Zelenski alone, face to face?"

Vindmann: "Well not exactly, since you it that way."
 
Rich2018 said:
No

The Congressional approved aid was held up until the Ukraine did what Trump demanded of them.
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Dummass democrats claim Trump demanded a public announcement of an investigation into Biden or he would not turn loose the aid. The problem with that dummass democrat assumption is that is not even close to what Trump actually said and Ukraine did not even come close to satisfying the supposed demands dummass democrats insist were his conditions for release.
 
marke said:
Vindmann: "I personally warned Zelenski not to get involved in American politics."

Question: 'How many time did you talk with Zelenski?"

Vindmann: "I don't recall. Several."

Question: "In what setting? In his office? At another location, maybe?"

Vindmann: "Mostly in group settings."

Question: "Col. Vindmann, did you ever actually speak with Zelenski alone, face to face?"

Vindmann: "Well not exactly, since you it that way."
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So what ?

Lt Col Vindman was defending the integrity of the US political process

Do you not see that ?
 
marke said:
Dummass democrats claim Trump demanded a public announcement of an investigation into Biden or he would not turn loose the aid.
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Yes, and it's true. Trump did exactly that.


Clearly you can't bring yourself to believe it - or indeed any suggestion that Trump is not a saint.



The problem with that dummass democrat assumption is that is not even close to what Trump actually said and Ukraine did not even come close to satisfying the supposed demands dummass democrats insist were his conditions for release.
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There is no problem and there is no assumption.

The Ukraine was spared having to launch a bogus public inquiry (what has Trump called an inquiry into himself - a lynching, a with hunt. Strange how his view of an inquiry changes when it's directed at him and his crimes).
The whistle blower put a stop to all that, Trump's criminal activity was exposed and he was caught red handed.
He was forced to release the aid and cover his dirty tracks - none so obviously as his bogus "no quid pro quo" telephone call to Sondland - a strange statement for an innocent man to make.


Trump is clearly guilty and not fit to be president.

It only remains to be seen if 20 or more GOP have the courage to defy him and vote with their conscience.
 
Rich2018 said:
So what ?

Lt Col Vindman was defending the integrity of the US political process

Do you not see that ?
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The lil' baboon thought he was in charge and an essential figure to defend American interests against his evil boss, President Donald Trump. The stupid little jerk has a lot to learn about himself and reality.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes, and it's true. Trump did exactly that.
Clearly you can't bring yourself to believe it - or indeed any suggestion that Trump is not a saint.
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Trump did mention Biden among other reputed corrupt Americans involved with crooked Ukrainians. I hope to God the democrats impeach Trump in the House and send their schittfy impeachment joke over to the Senate where both Bidens can be subpoenaed to testify and the whole world will learn a great deal more about the depth of corruption those two were involved with in Ukraine.

There is no problem and there is no assumption.
The Ukraine was spared having to launch a bogus public inquiry (what has Trump called an inquiry into himself - a lynching, a with hunt. Strange how his view of an inquiry changes when it's directed at him and his crimes).
The whistle blower put a stop to all that, Trump's criminal activity was exposed and he was caught red handed.
He was forced to release the aid and cover his dirty tracks - none so obviously as his bogus "no quid pro quo" telephone call to Sondland - a strange statement for an innocent man to make.
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How ironic this is going to turn out if the whole schittf show impeachment trial over the Bidens ends up exposing what those crooked Bidens were doing over there. I already know plenty of facts and I want those facts to be brought out clearly in the Senate trial.

Trump is clearly guilty and not fit to be president.
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Baloney. Biden is the one who may wish he had never heard of Ukraine before this is all over.

It only remains to be seen if 20 or more GOP have the courage to defy him and vote with their conscience.
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I hope we have 60 more Senators who want to find out what the Bidens were really doing in Ukraine in cahoots with the crookedest oligarch there.
 
marke said:
The lil' baboon thought he was in charge and an essential figure to defend American interests against his evil boss, President Donald Trump. The stupid little jerk has a lot to learn about himself and reality.
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The lil' baboon ?
The stupid little jerk ?

How low you must think of him. He stood up to be counted and testified against Trump.

Why do you say he thought he was in charge ? Did he not make reports to his superiors, which he testified he did.
His role WAS/IS to defend American interests and yes, that includes when they're under attack from the president.

You think his job is to shut up and let Trump do what he wants ?
It doesn't work that way and hopefully never will.
 
marke said:
The man was not right to violate his oath and his orders. He needs to be demoted and reassigned.
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can you point out where he violated his oath by practicing free speech? He is actually OBLIGATED to defy illegal orders.
 
marke said:
Dummass democrats claim Trump demanded a public announcement of an investigation into Biden or he would not turn loose the aid. The problem with that dummass democrat assumption is that is not even close to what Trump actually said and Ukraine did not even come close to satisfying the supposed demands dummass democrats insist were his conditions for release.
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that is what all of the witnesses have testified to...do you have proof they are lying?
 
marke said:
Trump did mention Biden among other reputed corrupt Americans involved with crooked Ukrainians....
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Oh really who else ?
Hunter Biden ?



I hope to God the democrats impeach Trump in the House and send their schittfy impeachment joke over to the Senate where both Bidens can be subpoenaed to testify and the whole world will learn a great deal more about the depth of corruption those two were involved with in Ukraine.
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There is no evidence against Joe Biden or his son and Republicans have had plenty of opportunity to call witnesses if they think there was.

The same Republicans are fighting tooth and nail NOT to impeach Trump, why do you think that is ?

In the impeachment trial it will become obvious that Trump is a dangerous, unbalanced criminal with severe mental health issues.
He likes to get even...and many GOP senators fear him and his influence amongst their voting base. But they obviously talk to each other...there will either be a mass revolt against him or a blanket of fear.

How ironic this is going to turn out if the whole schittf show impeachment trial over the Bidens ends up exposing what those crooked Bidens were doing over there. I already know plenty of facts and I want those facts to be brought out clearly in the Senate trial.
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So you know plenty of facts huh ?
Pity none of them came to light in the hearings so far, despite Republican membership in the House committees

There is no hint at Biden or his son involved in any wrongdoing in the Ukraine.

This is about Trump and his crimes - he cannot be allowed to get away with it.

He is guilty


...Biden is the one who may wish he had never heard of Ukraine before this is all over.
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Dream on



I hope we have 60 more Senators who want to find out what the Bidens were really doing in Ukraine in cahoots with the crookedest oligarch there.
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And what exactly was their plan according to the facts you have personally gained.

I hope we have at least 20 GOP senators with the courage to remove Trump so that America can publicly vomit up the poison that's infested the White House for almost three years.
 
ClaraD said:
And he's fully within his right to do that
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It may have been his right to lie and act like a buffoon but he does not honor the military uniform by acting like an enemy Russian soldier in the face of American policy.
 
ArtemisBarca said:
Why would trump making a back room deal with Putin Make him his slave?!?

It is just part of theBS and logical fallacy deflections... conservatives take it to teextreme and pretend that is the liberal mainstream..


Besides.. Trump is obviously the slave master and his supports the slaves...

Just like he said “they would support me if I murdered someone on time square “.

He knows y’all are his stooges.


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I do think politicians can think more highly of themselves than anyone else on the planet does.

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Rich2018 said:
Lt Col Vindman was telling the truth when he testified in accordance with his oath of office and sense of duty. The fact that his testimony was against your hero is why you're butt-hurt.

Why do you eulogize such a buffoon and criminal as Trump ?

Lt Col Vindman is a mutineer, did you actually say that ? His chain of command means nothing in the situation - which Btw he testified that he kept his superior informed ?

When this is over and hopefully Trump is removed like he so richly deserves, I hope Lt Col Vindman is properly rewarded for his integrity, his honesty and above all for his courage.
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I'm surer Jackazz Vindmann expects to be given great rewards from democrats if democrats finally succeed in bringing Trump down and installing a barbarous buffoon in his place. There was a procedure and rules for Vindmann to follow which he ignored in his vanity and eagerness to exalt himself over Trump and his own immediate bosses. When asked why Vindmann went straight to the lawyer with his analysis of the Trump phone call, Tim Morrison responded that he was puzzled by that because Vindmann knew that was Morrison's job, not his.
 
Rich2018 said:
No

The Congressional approved aid was held up until the Ukraine did what Trump demanded of them. Trump wa only forced to release it after he got caught red-handed. He then had no choice to release the aid and make that ridiculous "no quid pro quo" phone call with Sondland.
He'd been found out and been FORCED to release the military aid to cover his tracks and people like you fell for it because Trump always wraps himself up with faux patriotism.
Trump is no patriot - now he's saying he held up the aid for the country not for him.

They didn't know about Trump's crime until the whistle blower came forward and the complaint blew up. Then congress could see what Trump was trying to do. His is a rogue president and his impeachment is vital if the Constitution is to mean anything
Congress is a group of very reluctant prosecutors that have done what unfortunately had to be done to call a halt to Trump's unacceptable behavior. To use your own analogy, the murderer cannot be allowed to comm it any more murders
No, on the basis of a mountain of evidence of corruption, bribery, extortion and even treason.
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Aid is nearly always held up for days or weeks while miscellaneous issues are resolved before the money can be released. Did you not learn that from the impeachment hearings? With all effort to show due respect to all the 3rd and no-hand Trump-hating democrat partisan witnesses, not a single first hand witness claimed that Trump demanded certain conditions be met before the aid was released. On top of that even the conditions democrats falsely claim Trump insisted on were not even met before the aid was released. Democrats can devote themselves to the stupidest of lies but Americans need to fire these liars and incompetent partisans from politics.
 
Rich2018 said:
The lil' baboon ?
The stupid little jerk ?

How low you must think of him. He stood up to be counted and testified against Trump.

Why do you say he thought he was in charge ? Did he not make reports to his superiors, which he testified he did.
His role WAS/IS to defend American interests and yes, that includes when they're under attack from the president.

You think his job is to shut up and let Trump do what he wants ?
It doesn't work that way and hopefully never will.
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He claimed to have advised Zelenski. He didn't. He lied. But that may have been a good thing because that was not the stupid jerk's job. What a bozo.
 
ClaraD said:
can you point out where he violated his oath by practicing free speech? He is actually OBLIGATED to defy illegal orders.
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Vindmann: 'I came straight to you, Mr. Schitff, because I knew you would want me to do this for our common cause.'

Schiftt: 'You did well, Comrade. We need more faithful servants of our cause to do what you have done.. Thank you.'

Vindmann: 'Any time, sir. I will continue to do what I can while assistant U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine in charge of policy making, to fight against Trump imperialism and for the truth and honor of the democrat cause.'
 
ClaraD said:
that is what all of the witnesses have testified to...do you have proof they are lying?
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I don't doubt their testimony. They probably did hear from someone who heard from someone who heard from someone what they heard. It's just that in real trials with real rules of due process that kind of crap hearsay evidence would never be allowed.
 
Rich2018 said:
Oh really who else ?
Hunter Biden ?
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Crowdstrike and the Ukrainians who testified they were hired by the DNC to help Hillary in the 2016 election. You never heard that mentioned in the call? Is your copy of the call the one Schifft made up or the real one?

There is no evidence against Joe Biden or his son and Republicans have had plenty of opportunity to call witnesses if they think there was.
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Republicans: 'Mr. Schittf, we would like to call the whistleblower, Hunter Biden, and the Ukrainians who were convicted in court of tampering with the 2016 election on Hillary's behalf.'

Schittf: 'Request denied.'

Liberal news report of the exchange: 'Given an opportunity to produce evidence of Hunter Biden's wrongdoing today, republicans again demonstrated that they had no evidence to give.'

The same Republicans are fighting tooth and nail NOT to impeach Trump, why do you think that is ?
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Republicans would oppose a democrat president being impeached as well on the basis of hearsay evidence, opinions, assumptions and feelings, and not facts, especially if all due processes and defense testimony is banned from the proceedings.

In the impeachment trial it will become obvious that Trump is a dangerous, unbalanced criminal with severe mental health issues.
He likes to get even...and many GOP senators fear him and his influence amongst their voting base. But they obviously talk to each other...there will either be a mass revolt against him or a blanket of fear.
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Trump has never said anything about retaliating against his enemies. Top democrat politicians have never shut up about retaliating against their enemies.

So you know plenty of facts huh ?
Pity none of them came to light in the hearings so far, despite Republican membership in the House committees
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House republicans cannot bring out the evidence because the democrat gestapo will not allow it. That means we will have to wait until the matter goers to the Senate before the Bidens, Adam Schitff, the whistleblower, Crowdstrike, DNC officials and others can be forced to testify.

There is no hint at Biden or his son involved in any wrongdoing in the Ukraine.
This is about Trump and his crimes - he cannot be allowed to get away with it.
He is guilty
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Of course democrats have declared him guilty of all sorts of crimes for the past 3 years, ever since Comey publicly confessed Hillary's multiple federal sins and then forgave her on the spot without further ado.

Dream on
And what exactly was their plan according to the facts you have personally gained.
I hope we have at least 20 GOP senators with the courage to remove Trump so that America can publicly vomit up the poison that's infested the White House for almost three years.
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marke said:
I do think politicians can think more highly of themselves than anyone else on the planet does.

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BWAHAHAHAHA

You do realize there is nothing stopping trump from prosecuting Hillary..... unless he lies lying about all those “Clinton bodybag” type conspiracy theories.. right??


Trump or one of his appointees owned every branch of federal law enforcement.. for his first 2 years trump ran every faction of government..

Trump has a Supreme Court majority..

Trumps main campaign promise was to “lock her up and drain the swamp”..

It would ONLY benefit trump to prosecute ANY of the bigwigs he CONSTANTLY accuses of felonies. People like you would love it, and it would add credibility to his other far fetched claims of corruption .




So why isn’t he prosecuting her, Comey, McCabe ,Strock , shift, exc, exc. exc??????


Because either....

A) trump and other gop conspiracy types made it all up.

B) trump can find zero evidence to support his claims, aka basically the exact same functionally as A.

C) Trump is protecting them when he personally started the conspiracy theories around them.. so I think we can safely exclude C..



He is playing ya’ll like fools and there is no scenerio where history, and thus your child an grandchildren will view it that way..

“Can you believe dad was a stooge if that orange gorilla!?!.... that is so sad..”


Lol





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