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    Re: Foreign Policy Isnít Just Up To Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Foreign Policy Isnít Just Up To Trump

    The presidentís defenders argue that U.S. foreign policy is whatever he says it is. Trouble is, thatís not what the Constitution says.





    Contrary to the declaration of Rep. Elise Stefanik, foreign policy is not the sole preserve of a president.

    Related: The Battle for the Constitution | The National Constitution Center
    Actually, Congress made it illegal for any unauthorized communications with foreign governments in 1799. Only the President and the Department of State personnel are authorized, and the Department of State serves at the President's pleasure. Nancy Pelosi herself can be charged, twice, under the Logan Act for her unauthorized and treasonous visits to give Assad aid and comfort in Syria.

    While the US Constitution does not give the President exclusive authority over negotiations with foreign government, Congress did over 200 years ago.

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    Re: Foreign Policy Isnít Just Up To Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    It may have been his right to lie and act like a buffoon but he does not honor the military uniform by acting like an enemy Russian soldier in the face of American policy.
    Um, where do you get the idea he is lying? Were you there?

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    Re: Foreign Policy Isnít Just Up To Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by ClaraD View Post
    Um, where do you get the idea he is lying? Were you there?
    Before the committee, under oath, he first claimed he advised Zelensky to avoid getting involved in American politics. Later, when questioned by republicans he admitted he did no such thing, the lying sack of crap.

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    Re: Foreign Policy Isnít Just Up To Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    I'm surer Jackazz Vindmann expects to be given great rewards from democrats if democrats finally succeed in bringing Trump down and installing a barbarous buffoon in his place. There was a procedure and rules for Vindmann to follow which he ignored in his vanity and eagerness to exalt himself over Trump and his own immediate bosses. When asked why Vindmann went straight to the lawyer with his analysis of the Trump phone call, Tim Morrison responded that he was puzzled by that because Vindmann knew that was Morrison's job, not his.
    Don't you get it Lt Col Vindman is non-political ?

    He won't expect rewards for doing his job and why wouldn't Republicans honor him just as much ?

    He stood up and reported criminal behavior from from president. It didn't and doesn't matter what party he represents.

    He does deserve recognition and awards tough for his bravery in coming forward and for his integrity.


    Lastly you speak of "a barbarous buffoon" - that is a description none more deserved than Trump. And yes it would mean Pence is president - a creationist in the White House is still better than a mentally unbalanced criminal.

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    Re: Foreign Policy Isnít Just Up To Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Aid is nearly always held up for days or weeks while miscellaneous issues are resolved before the money can be released...
    Oh really, and you have first hand knowledge of this ?


    Much needed aid is usually forth coming immediately. It is not normally held up, BY THE PRESIDENT, without a reason


    Did you not learn that from the impeachment hearings? With all effort to show due respect to all the 3rd and no-hand Trump-hating democrat partisan witnesses, not a single first hand witness claimed that Trump demanded certain conditions be met before the aid was released. On top of that even the conditions democrats falsely claim Trump insisted on were not even met before the aid was released. Democrats can devote themselves to the stupidest of lies but Americans need to fire these liars and incompetent partisans from politics.
    Did you watch different hearings ?

    Sondland testified that aid was held up and the Ukrainians advised what they had to do to get it.


    He claimed to have advised Zelenski. He didn't. He lied. But that may have been a good thing because that was not the stupid jerk's job. What a bozo.
    Lt Col Vindman absolutely did NOT lie.

    He wouldn't lie.

    Why are you so prepared to believe Trump ? Why do you want that deranged criminal to stay as president ?

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    Re: Foreign Policy Isnít Just Up To Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Don't you get it Lt Col Vindman is non-political ?
    He is also non-ambassador and was way outside the bounds of his duties to be trying to advise Zelenski on his own. What a pompous dummass.

    He won't expect rewards for doing his job and why wouldn't Republicans honor him just as much ?
    He turned down a prestigious position with Ukraine no doubt because he was hoping for an even more prestigious position in the new democrat administration in the US.

    He stood up and reported criminal behavior from from president. It didn't and doesn't matter what party he represents.
    Herr Democrat Colonel Vindmann: 'Herr Comrade Communist Democrat Party Chief Schifft, I may have found a way to claim President Trump violated his oath of office by violating what we think are rules of proper diplomacy according to long standing Obama policies. I will sneak and leak an altered record of the phone call to you in the morning.'

    Herr Comrade Communist Democrat Party Chief Schitff: 'Well done, comrade.'

    He does deserve recognition and awards tough for his bravery in coming forward and for his integrity.
    Herr Comrade Communist Democrat Party Chief Schifft: 'Herr Vindmann, your faithful service in the democrat service will not be forgotten.'

    Herr Colonel Vindmann: 'Thank you, Master.'

    Lastly you speak of "a barbarous buffoon" - that is a description none more deserved than Trump. And yes it would mean Pence is president - a creationist in the White House is still better than a mentally unbalanced criminal.
    While democrats can barely tolerate a creationist as president, they cannot stand a president who has beat their stupid commie azzes down at every turn for the entire 3 year period they have been trying to take him down.

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    Re: Foreign Policy Isnít Just Up To Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Oh really, and you have first hand knowledge of this ?
    Much needed aid is usually forth coming immediately. It is not normally held up, BY THE PRESIDENT, without a reason
    I don't know who told you that but you need to review Undersecretary David Hale's testimony before the impeachment committee. He testified that aid has been held up from other nations as well and that aid to Ukraine had been held up while a review was being conducted of Ukraine as part of a wide reevaluation of foreign aid to all countries.




    Did you watch different hearings ?

    Sondland testified that aid was held up and the Ukrainians advised what they had to do to get it.
    Sondland testified he never heard Trump or Zelenski reference any supposed hold on military aid pending on the resolution of any assumed condition.

    Lt Col Vindman absolutely did NOT lie.
    He wouldn't lie.
    Like hell he wouldn't. That pompous baboon bragged before Congress that h,e had personally advised Zelenski, which was not only way outside th bounds of his responsibilities, but which was shot all to hell also when he later admitted he had never actually talked one on one with Zelenski in any setting whatsoever.
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    Re: Foreign Policy Isnít Just Up To Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    But it DID happen

    Trump knew about the complaint and was trying to cover it up when he released the money and made his famous "No quid pro quo" statement the Sondland.

    ie: He'd already been caught.
    It appears as if he did violate tje impoundment act but im no expert on that. I agree that he should be censured for that. I dont agree with the rest of the complaints being made nor do i think it rises to the level of impeachment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaraD View Post
    Vindman is a citizen and has just as much a right as anyone to weigh in on the President's policies whether it bothers you are not.
    Actually he is a solider and part of that is sacrificing your right to express your opinions all the time. My biggest issue with Vindman is according to his ownbtestimony he advised a foreghin government not to cooperate with this administration. Even if he disagreed with the administration it was out of line for him to do that.

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    Re: Foreign Policy Isnít Just Up To Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Nonsense. The military aid was released according to normal procedures and on time and no conditions the democrats claim Trump demanded as a prerequisite bribe were ever met. If democrats wanted to catch Trump then they should have waited for him to commit the crime they are accusing him of supposedly wanting to commit. They have in effect done what is unacceptable in court as may be illustrated by a group of overzealous prosecutors nailing a potential murderer before the murderer ever committed the crime, and then seeking to throw the book at the potential murderer on the sole basis of their suspicions which lack any actual evidence.
    They couldnt afford to wait because he wasnt going to commit any crime in the first place. If they had waited they wouldnt be able to argue that he was going to until he got caught. Thats how far of a reach they making to find something/anything to accuse him of.

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