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Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

Samwise said:
There is no welfare clause.
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They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose. To consider the latter phrase not as describing the purpose of the first, but as giving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please...Certainly no such universal power was meant to be given them. It was intended to lace them up straightly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect.

Thomas Jefferson, Opinion on National Bank, 1791
 
James972 said:
They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose. To consider the latter phrase not as describing the purpose of the first, but as giving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please...Certainly no such universal power was meant to be given them. It was intended to lace them up straightly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect.

Thomas Jefferson, Opinion on National Bank, 1791
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Is that some sort of attempt at a proof that there is a general welfare clause?
 
danielpalos said:
Yes, I can because it is in our federal Constitution in Article 1, Section 8.
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So it should be fairly easy, even for you, to cite it. Please go ahead...
 
Samwise said:
So it should be fairly easy, even for you, to cite it. Please go ahead...
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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,
to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
 
danielpalos said:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,
to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
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Ah, the taxing clause. Yes, taxes may only be collected to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the united states. Taxes may not be collected for any other purpose.

So do you think this clause gives the general government some sort of plenary power?
 
Samwise said:
Ah, the taxing clause. Yes, taxes may only be collected to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the united states. Taxes may not be collected for any other purpose.

So do you think this clause gives the general government some sort of plenary power?
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Our welfare clause is General not Common and must cover more contingencies than our common defense clause. Now do you understand?
 
danielpalos said:
Our welfare clause is General not Common and must cover more contingencies than our common defense clause. Now do you understand?
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How would your gibberish help me in any way to understand anything?
 
Samwise said:
How would your gibberish help me in any way to understand anything?
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All that you must understand is that he wants to be (endlessly) paid UI benefits despite not having worked in years and having no plans to actively seek employment. He feels entitled to be paid simply to loaf. The "gibberish" is used to try to claim that everyone has a constitutional right to get (state?) UI benefits endlessly and without any (past, present or future) work requirements.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
All that you must understand is that he wants to be (endlessly) paid UI benefits despite not having worked in years and having no plans to actively seek employment. He feels entitled to be paid simply to loaf. The "gibberish" is used to try to claim that everyone has a constitutional right to get (state?) UI benefits endlessly and without any (past, present or future) work requirements.
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Not Rich enough to be "worth it" under Capitalism, right wingers? Corporate welfare is alive and well.
 
danielpalos said:
we have alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror which are nowhere to be found in our Constitution.
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So what ?

The Constitution doesn't mention going to the moon either.

It doesn't mention climate control


But back to the question: Do you know what an example is ?

Are you aware of ANY government policies or laws that came out in the last 100 years ?


If so can you give one as an example and explain how/why it is a general or common policy ?
 
Rich2018 said:
So what ?

The Constitution doesn't mention going to the moon either.

It doesn't mention climate control


But back to the question: Do you know what an example is ?

Are you aware of ANY government policies or laws that came out in the last 100 years ?


If so can you give one as an example and explain how/why it is a general or common policy ?
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The whole and entire and relevant difference is, we have a general welfare clause not a general warfare clause.
 
danielpalos said:
The whole and entire and relevant difference is, we have a general welfare clause not a general warfare clause.
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So back to the original question:

1. Do you know what an example is ?

2. Are you aware of ANY government policies or laws that came out in the last 100 years ?

3. If so can you give one as an example and explain how/why it is a general or common policy ?
 
Rich2018 said:
So back to the original question:

1. Do you know what an example is ?

2. Are you aware of ANY government policies or laws that came out in the last 100 years ?

3. If so can you give one as an example and explain how/why it is a general or common policy ?
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We have a general welfare clause not a general warfare clause.
 
Rich2018 said:
So you say, the War on Drugs is an example of general welfare ?

Did I get that right ?
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No, you didn't understand the concept, like usual.

our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror have nothing to do with the general welfare only the general warfare.
 
danielpalos said:
No, you didn't understand the concept, like usual.

our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror have nothing to do with the general welfare only the general warfare.
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So the war on drugs is an example of general warfare ?

Do you know what general war means ?
 
Rich2018 said:
So the war on drugs is an example of general warfare ?

Do you know what general war means ?
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yes, it allows for "wars on abstractions" instead of factual and concrete objects such as equality and equal protection of the laws for the Poor even under our form of Capitalism.
 
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