Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

Nickyjo said:
Does anyone believe Trump?

Sure he's at least marginally pro family, pro religion, pro capitalism, pro Constitution, pro military, and pro police ie pro Republican while Sanders/Warren and the other libcommies openly oppose all those basic American things. Do you understand?

bomberfox · Nov 27, 2019

James972 said:
Of course it does, by limiting central govt to a few enumerated powers. So then how can liberals legally hold office when they must swear an oath to defend a Constitution they openly despise? Does anyone actually believe someone like Bernie Sanders when he takes the oath of office?

Lol its so easy there are so few supermajority decisions in SCOTUS. /sarc

bomberfox · Nov 27, 2019

James972 said:
Sure he's at least marginally pro family, pro religion, pro capitalism, pro Constitution, pro military, and pro police ie pro Republican while Sanders/Warren and the other libcommies openly oppose all those basic American things. Do you understand?

:lamo do you understand?

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

Nickyjo said:
Yeah, liberals gave us awful things like worker’s compensation, unemployment insurance, the right to organize, Medicare, Social Security, the ACA,

Totally wrong and 100% illiterate of course. Those things all cost tons of money that was made available only thanks to Republican capitalism. If liberals can "give" these things as you ignorantly imagine why didn't they give them in Africa Russia India China 1000 years ago?? Answer: there is nothing to give until Republican capitalism makes them wealthy. You have been taught this 62 times. Shall we go for 63??

Tanngrisnir · Nov 27, 2019

James972 said:
Sure he's at least marginally pro family, pro religion, pro capitalism, pro Constitution, pro military, and pro police ie pro Republican while Sanders/Warren and the other libcommies openly oppose all those basic American things. Do you understand?

He is quite literally the exact opposite of all those things you just cited. You, as a Marxist, can't be expected to know that.

bomberfox · Nov 27, 2019

James972 said:
Fantasy??? Outlawing liberalism was the purpose the Constitution and it created the greatest country the world has ever seen by far. Fantasy????

:lamo i cant take this seriously. Thomas Paine would laugh at you. Read Agrarian justice sometime. Thomas Paine’s “Agrarian Justice” and the Origins of Social Insurance - Oxford Scholarship

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

Keridan said:
I seriously thought this was a joke thread and I'm still not convinced otherwise, but just in case -

the liberal doesn't think Bernie Sanders is anti-American and anti-Constitution??? Can the liberal tell us why??

Jason Warfield · Nov 27, 2019

James972 said:
Of course it does, by limiting central govt to a few enumerated powers. So then how can liberals legally hold office when they must swear an oath to defend a Constitution they openly despise? Does anyone actually believe someone like Bernie Sanders when he takes the oath of office?

What stupid question.

Never did it occur to you that as we were fighting the Revolution, and later, the War of 1812, the monarchies considered Americans as radical liberals.

Further, the Constitution itself was an expansion of federal powers over the Articles of Confederation.

In addition, Congress of the Founders voted to INCREASE government by enlarging the US military after slashing it after winning the Revolution when a small group of Indians wiped out half of the nation's tiny military.

Also, Washington and Hamilton worked to expand federal powers by absorbing the wartime of the debt of the states because if the states were to fall under their own debt, the nation would also fall and strove to pay for it by applying a nanny state tax on whiskey which was out number one product at the time (remember when Obama did something similar?) to help both pay for the federal debt and to eventually curb the consumption of whiskey via taxation (it resulted in the Whiskey Rebellion, BTW).

Clearly, you did not do your homework before lobbing this lame post out there.

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

Keridan said:
The framers didn't want big government because they were fresh off the revolutionary war,

???? wrong!!! they didn't want big liberal govt because they were fresh off studying all of human history and concluding that big liberal govt had been the source of evil in human history.

Show some evidence that it was "because they were fresh off the war" what ever that means???

marke · Nov 27, 2019

Nickyjo said:
Yeah, liberals gave us awful things like worker’s compensation, unemployment insurance, the right to organize, Medicare, Social Security, the ACA, civil rights laws, environmental protections, all the awful things we have to endure despite our hatred of them. Yet they have managed to survive court challenges.

Liberals do give things to their subjects. They give them 12oz drinks and tell them larger sizes are unlawful. They tell you when you can and when you cannot exercise your religious convictions. They give you fish to eat while outlawing cows. They allow you to keep some wages while confiscating the rest. They give you freedom to talk as long as you never say anything which violates leftist pc standards. And so forth.

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

Keridan said:
they left the door open for things to be changed as needs demanded or the people voted (through their reps), so no it does not break the constitution to want more government

OMG!! Are you always so perfectly illiterate???? You suggest the Founders were perfectly ignorant of history and thus might have given us monarchy communism or fascism but left the door open for things to be changed toward freedom as demanded or people voted ??????? So according to you if things need to be changed to Nazisn it does not "break" the Constitution????????? OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

Keridan said:
There isn't much chance of a Bernie presidency

Pure ignorance. The experts said there was not much chance of a Trump presidency. 1+1=2

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

Keridan said:
he wouldn't suddenly have free reign to do as he pleases; he still has to follow the constitution that hasn't broken

if people are dumb enough to elect one communist maybe they are dumb enough to elect 100's of them who then would have the power to break the Constitution!!

Keridan · Nov 27, 2019

James972 said:
???? wrong!!! they didn't want big liberal govt because they were fresh off studying all of human history and concluding that big liberal govt had been the source of evil in human history.

Show some evidence that it was "because they were fresh off the war" what ever that means???

I'm not here to be your primary school teacher, look up the war yourself - you might also look up some of the framer's personal comments regarding the enumerated powers section as they are relevant to this joke thread

You obviously just have it in your head that you have some deep understanding of the constitution and think that it wasn't designed to be amended (see - bill of rights) to changed according to needs of the times(period) Goody for you(period) I would probably be upset about things too if the public schooling had left me so confused

As for Bernie Sanders being anti-constitution, I would have to argue that he's done a very effective job as a senator for many years using the rules and guidelines set forth in that document; I wish he failed more often, but that has nothing to do with his views on the value of the constitution(period) I get very worried about his politics, but not his patriotism or desire to protect the constitution(period) Turns out that very document gives him the right to be wrong

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) is the only real limit on the federal government's Constitutional power(s).

not really the people, press and other 2 branches of govt also can limit feds powers

Nickyjo · Nov 27, 2019

James972 said:
Sure he's at least marginally pro family, pro religion, pro capitalism, pro Constitution, pro military, and pro police ie pro Republican while Sanders/Warren and the other libcommies openly oppose all those basic American things. Do you understand?

Sorry, I assume the scales will fall from your eyes eventually: How is Trump pro family? How many wives? Pro religion, but ignores the Sermon on the Mount and the commandments that forbid lying and adultery, in addition defies Jesus’s teaching on protecting refugees? Pro (crony) capitalism, there’s that. Pro military? He suggests the military war crimes and pardons those who commit them, in defiance of military justice. Pro Constitution: except for the emoluments clause and the principle of separation of powers, perhaps.

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

OrphanSlug said:
I’ll see the umpteenth time you have posted this *exact same* argument.
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There is nothing new in politics. Aristotle and Plato defined human history as the struggle between freedom and govt 2500 years ago. Can you contribute to the debate or do you still feel totally unqualified to do so?

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

Lisa said:
Show me where liberals hurt you?

libcommieism just killed 120 million innocent human souls in USSR /Red China. How's that??

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

prometeus said:
you made yet another retarded thread. The only thing that should be illegal is the utter stupidity you spew.

of course if it was ignorant the liberal would not be so afraid to say why it is ignorant ?? What does the liberal learn from this??

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

Rich2018 said:
Yep, Liberals defend the rule of Law,

??? the Constitution is the law and liberals are totally opposed to it, How is that defending it?????

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

Rich2018 said:
conservatives like Trump think the Constitution is a "phony" set of guidelines.

what??????? total ignorance!!!!. Trump appoints justices who read the Constitution strictly as written while liberals treat it as phony and to mean anything they want it to mean including communism. NOw do you understand??

Nickyjo · Nov 27, 2019

James972 said:
Totally wrong and 100% illiterate of course. Those things all cost tons of money that was made available only thanks to Republican capitalism. If liberals can "give" these things as you ignorantly imagine why didn't they give them in Africa Russia India China 1000 years ago?? Answer: there is nothing to give until Republican capitalism makes them wealthy. You have been taught this 62 times. Shall we go for 63??

The free market is a wonderful thing. Capitalism creates wealth. Not quite so good on distribution. It’s not a republican thing. Thus for the last century progressives of both parties have saved capitalism with the programs mentioned. But there are still some die hards who believe as doctrinaire Marxists do, that their Ayn Rand’s quasi-fascist view of reality is holy writ.

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

Nickyjo said:
So he views laws he doesn’t like as inconveniences.

insanity of course!!! Trump is very conservative while it is liberals who want a drastic change to all our basic inconvenient laws so that we are communistic. Hard to imagine that you didn't know that.

James972 · Nov 27, 2019

Rogue Valley said:
You and James need to get a room. Invite zimmer and do a menage et trois.

(the above is a liberals idea of debate)

Why do liberals stay liberals if they cant defend liberalism?? See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance??

Somerville · Nov 27, 2019

James972 said:
of course if it was ignorant the liberal would not be so afraid to say why it is ignorant ?? What does the liberal learn from this??

What the thinking people have learned is that jimmy refuses to accept that he has been shown to be wrong in almost every comment he has posted. No matter how many times he is wrong, his reply is always that nobody has shown him to be in error.