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    The Constitution Relies Too Much On Men Of Honor

    With Trump and his Senate sycophants trashing veterans in the past, and now Senator Ron Johnson (the newest face of self debasement) going after Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, there is a serious dearth of men of honor in the Republican Senate.
    Despite the fact that there is now 6 (and counting) of Trump's "best people" being sentenced to prison, and Trump himself only left to be convicted of several crimes, violations of the Constitution, and violating his Oath of Office, it appears the Republican Senate not only is devoid of honor, but there seems to be no low too low to go.
    If you, or I, were lying for, and assisting, someone that has done what The Don has done, we would also be tried as accessories. OK, OK allegedly.

    This has me thinking: how useful, ultimately, is the Constitution without men of honor?

    Have at it, I'm wearing my fire suit.

    The Newest Face of Self Debasement in the Republican Senate: Ron Johnson

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    Re: The Constitution Relies Too Much On Men Of Honor

    Looking for Honor among politicians is a bit like looking for a clean toilet at a pub on a Friday night.

    Quite a monumental task.

    However, while I think Democrats are not the best party on Earth, in fact I consistently call for the total destruction of both parties, Republicans and their supporters are beyond helping at this point, to say at this point that the impeachment investigation is based on “nothing”, is beyond not honourable, all the years under Obama these people screamed about tyrants and The Constitution, what was that all for when you’re faced with such clear and concise wrongdoing?

    He’s from your tribe, so it’s fine, but know this, you are begging for autocracy.

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    Re: The Constitution Relies Too Much On Men Of Honor

    Quote Originally Posted by element94 View Post

    This has me thinking: how useful, ultimately, is the Constitution without men of honor?

    1. That is a no-brainer.

    2. All the dictatorships in this world have beautiful constitutions but few if any men AND women of honor.

    a. At least Herr Hitler was honest: He simply proclaimed himself the boss and threw Germany's constitution in the trash.

    3. Our country is in trouble because the Dem candidate in 2016 was not a woman of honor. Even to this day, she has refused to accept the results of the election, thus undermining the legitimacy of the current administration.

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    Re: The Constitution Relies Too Much On Men Of Honor

    Quote Originally Posted by element94 View Post
    With Trump and his Senate sycophants trashing veterans in the past, and now Senator Ron Johnson (the newest face of self debasement) going after Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, there is a serious dearth of men of honor in the Republican Senate.
    Despite the fact that there is now 6 (and counting) of Trump's "best people" being sentenced to prison, and Trump himself only left to be convicted of several crimes, violations of the Constitution, and violating his Oath of Office, it appears the Republican Senate not only is devoid of honor, but there seems to be no low too low to go.
    If you, or I, were lying for, and assisting, someone that has done what The Don has done, we would also be tried as accessories. OK, OK allegedly.

    This has me thinking: how useful, ultimately, is the Constitution without men of honor?

    Have at it, I'm wearing my fire suit.

    The Newest Face of Self Debasement in the Republican Senate: Ron Johnson
    Honor doesn’t come from the uniform one wears or from the office that they hold. It comes from what is done in service to that uniform or office.

    As Johnson noted in his letter to Nunes, corruption in Ukraine was endemic. That fact has been testified to by every witness Schiff has put in front of us so far. What appears to have happened is that our career state department folks had generally opted to work around that corruption rather than work against it. Johnson himself suggested that even Zelensky had chosen that path with one of his appointments. It seems that the consensus view was one of “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”.

    Trump, it appears, had chosen to avoid such relationships of convenience and actually seek to combat the corruption. As one of the witnesses mentioned, it hard to fight corruption without pissing off a lot of corrupt people. Well, there sure are a lot of pushed off Democrats these days.

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    Re: The Constitution Relies Too Much On Men Of Honor

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Looking for Honor among politicians is a bit like looking for a clean toilet at a pub on a Friday night.

    Quite a monumental task.

    However, while I think Democrats are not the best party on Earth, in fact I consistently call for the total destruction of both parties, Republicans and their supporters are beyond helping at this point, to say at this point that the impeachment investigation is based on “nothing”, is beyond not honourable, all the years under Obama these people screamed about tyrants and The Constitution, what was that all for when you’re faced with such clear and concise wrongdoing?

    He’s from your tribe, so it’s fine, but know this, you are begging for autocracy.
    Well, that's exactly what I mean. If partisanship has become so divisive that truth and honor is thrown out, then a Constitution that more than relies on it becomes useless.

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    Re: The Constitution Relies Too Much On Men Of Honor

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Trump, it appears, had chosen to avoid such relationships of convenience and actually seek to combat the corruption.

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    Re: The Constitution Relies Too Much On Men Of Honor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    1. That is a no-brainer.

    2. All the dictatorships in this world have beautiful constitutions but few if any men AND women of honor.

    a. At least Herr Hitler was honest: He simply proclaimed himself the boss and threw Germany's constitution in the trash.

    3. Our country is in trouble because the Dem candidate in 2016 was not a woman of honor. Even to this day, she has refused to accept the results of the election, thus undermining the legitimacy of the current administration.
    No disrespect to women , of course. The thread title was in reference to when the Constitution was written - a very, very long time ago, when honor, and liberty meant enough to risk life and fortune.

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    Re: The Constitution Relies Too Much On Men Of Honor

    Quote Originally Posted by element94 View Post
    With Trump and his Senate sycophants trashing veterans in the past, and now Senator Ron Johnson (the newest face of self debasement) going after Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, there is a serious dearth of men of honor in the Republican Senate.
    Despite the fact that there is now 6 (and counting) of Trump's "best people" being sentenced to prison, and Trump himself only left to be convicted of several crimes, violations of the Constitution, and violating his Oath of Office, it appears the Republican Senate not only is devoid of honor, but there seems to be no low too low to go.
    If you, or I, were lying for, and assisting, someone that has done what The Don has done, we would also be tried as accessories. OK, OK allegedly.

    This has me thinking: how useful, ultimately, is the Constitution without men of honor?

    Have at it, I'm wearing my fire suit.

    The Newest Face of Self Debasement in the Republican Senate: Ron Johnson

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    The biggest miscalculation these founders made, was they presumed that congressmen would protect the power of the body they served out of loyalty to it, and out of a self interested desire to use those levers of power to accomplish political and policy oriented goals. Legislators would see things through the eyes and perspective of legislators and defend their institution fiercely. They did not foresee how powerful special interests would become and how those interests would weaponize the political parties as their instruments of control over these men. They also did not foresee how the 17th amendment would alter the way the Senate would see its role and reflect a very different view of who they were beholden to, from what it as representatives of state legislatures as opposed to constituants.
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    Re: The Constitution Relies Too Much On Men Of Honor

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Honor doesn’t come from the uniform one wears or from the office that they hold. It comes from what is done in service to that uniform or office.

    As Johnson noted in his letter to Nunes, corruption in Ukraine was endemic. That fact has been testified to by every witness Schiff has put in front of us so far. What appears to have happened is that our career state department folks had generally opted to work around that corruption rather than work against it. Johnson himself suggested that even Zelensky had chosen that path with one of his appointments. It seems that the consensus view was one of “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”.

    Trump, it appears, had chosen to avoid such relationships of convenience and actually seek to combat the corruption. As one of the witnesses mentioned, it hard to fight corruption without pissing off a lot of corrupt people. Well, there sure are a lot of pushed off Democrats these days.
    But he didn't avoid relationships with the 6, and counting, "best people" that have been convicted of crimes/corruption.

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    Re: The Constitution Relies Too Much On Men Of Honor

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Honor doesn’t come from the uniform one wears or from the office that they hold. It comes from what is done in service to that uniform or office.

    As Johnson noted in his letter to Nunes, corruption in Ukraine was endemic. That fact has been testified to by every witness Schiff has put in front of us so far. What appears to have happened is that our career state department folks had generally opted to work around that corruption rather than work against it. Johnson himself suggested that even Zelensky had chosen that path with one of his appointments. It seems that the consensus view was one of “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”.

    Trump, it appears, had chosen to avoid such relationships of convenience and actually seek to combat the corruption. As one of the witnesses mentioned, it hard to fight corruption without pissing off a lot of corrupt people. Well, there sure are a lot of pushed off Democrats these days.
    Are watching this hearing circus? Nunes in his questioning has Vindman on the hot seat. His lawyers all jumped in and Shifty jumped in because Nunes connected the dots between Vindman and the whistleblower even though in his deposition he claimed he did not know who the whistleblower was.

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