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    Re: Electoral College Members Can Defy Voters’ Wishes, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Faithless electors choosing someone other than Trump in 2016.
    In this specific instance, the plaintiff refused to vote for the candidate chosen by the voters in Colorado - who happened to be Hillary Clinton.



    I don't see how it has much of anything to do with "left/right." If it does, it shouldn't.
    You are right, it shouldn't but it will. Al Gore received more citizens' votes than George Bush, as did Hillary Clinton who got more votes than Donald Trump. So, two Democratic candidates lost because of the electoral college. Two times a minority got their president inaugurated, is that what you want?
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    Re: Electoral College Members Can Defy Voters’ Wishes, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    In this specific instance, the plaintiff refused to vote for the candidate chosen by the voters in Colorado - who happened to be Hillary Clinton.
    My comment didn't have to do with the Colorado "instance."



    You are right, it shouldn't but it will. Al Gore received more citizens' votes than George Bush, as did Hillary Clinton who got more votes than Donald Trump. So, two Democratic candidates lost because of the electoral college.
    So? What does that have to do with your argument in the OP?


    Two times a minority got their president inaugurated, is that what you want?
    Far more than two. No majority elected Bill Clinton either time, for example.
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    Re: Electoral College Members Can Defy Voters’ Wishes, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's in the Constitution, therefore by definition it's not cheating. Your emotional leftwing argument is void.
    Are you under the false impression the Constitution is a perfect creation handed to us from God in the Heavens and thus is incapable of having any shortcomings?

    The Constitution contained many things which were not right or not in keeping with our stated purposes, including the allowing of slavery, the political and legal dominance of females, the failure to treat Native populations as everyone else was treated, and the Electoral College.
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    Re: Electoral College Members Can Defy Voters’ Wishes, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    They wouldnt....you all are the ones that said the EC was stupid and should be changed...not them

    We as a people dont want the major metro area's dictating who our president should be.....

    We have 3000 + miles accross this country and well over 1500 miles north to south

    Having the coasts elect our president makes no sense....

    And until you can convince the flyover states to change, the EC will stay just as it is
    I do not want any special system that discriminates against some voters while rewarding others at those others expense. And that is what the EC does in giving extra advantage to small population states.

    I do not care if you live in Iowa or California, New York or Wyoming, Texas or North Dakota. All votes of the people should be equal with no vote worth any more in weight than any other vote regardless of where it is cast.

    And the EC violates that system by weighing small population state voters as worth sometimes three times more than large state voters. And that is fundamentally a violation of the one person/one vote system.
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    Re: Electoral College Members Can Defy Voters’ Wishes, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    So you believe as the Founders did - that only the chosen elite shall be allowed to choose the nation's leaders?
    Your post is broad stroke bull****, but I doubt you know why. Let me explain so even you understand. In the beginning the People's voice is in the House of Representatives, the States' voice is in the Senate, and the President is elected by the Electoral College. The President is the president of the Union (know what that means?). Each state was sovereign, with it's own government, elected by the people of that state. That's how powers were separated. That's a Republic! Your yearning for a pure Democracy is nothing more than ignorance and butthurt. You don't know anything about the Founders thoughts on the matter, otherwise you and your ilk wouldn't be here whining. Frankly I'm sick of this stupid debate. I know these concepts are very difficult for leftwingers, because they think their idea of "FAIRNESS" should rule everything. Your ideas are wrong, so get over it. You want to change things, put forth a Constitutional amendment. Anything else is cheating the system, and treasonous in my opinion. Now please bugger off.
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    Re: Electoral College Members Can Defy Voters’ Wishes, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are you under the false impression the Constitution is a perfect creation handed to us from God in the Heavens and thus is incapable of having any shortcomings?

    The Constitution contained many things which were not right or not in keeping with our stated purposes, including the allowing of slavery, the political and legal dominance of females, the failure to treat Native populations as everyone else was treated, and the Electoral College.
    I'm under the impression that the Constitution is the Law of the Land! Your idea is to cheat your way to power by circumventing the Constitution every chance your get. There's the difference.
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    Re: Electoral College Members Can Defy Voters’ Wishes, Court Rules

    Why bother voting at all if the electoral college can override you? Think of the expenses saved on polling machines and booths and taking time off work to vote and stuff!
    Just let the college choose and accept your fate.
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    Re: Electoral College Members Can Defy Voters’ Wishes, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I do not want any special system that discriminates against some voters while rewarding others at those others expense. And that is what the EC does in giving extra advantage to small population states.

    I do not care if you live in Iowa or California, New York or Wyoming, Texas or North Dakota. All votes of the people should be equal with no vote worth any more in weight than any other vote regardless of where it is cast.

    And the EC violates that system by weighing small population state voters as worth sometimes three times more than large state voters. And that is fundamentally a violation of the one person/one vote system.

    California gets what 58 EC votes....i get it...you dont think that is enough...maybe 80? 85?

    So if a democrat wins California they are halfway to winning the Presidency?

    The presidency is NOT a popular vote...hope it never becomes one...

    Certain states right now are certainty blue, certain states are certainty red, and then we have what...maybe 10-12 states that in an given election can swing one way or another depending on who is running?

    I am ok with that....A good candidate from either side can still almost sweep the country...

    We really need to see one of those....havent been many lately
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    Re: Electoral College Members Can Defy Voters’ Wishes, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm under the impression that the Constitution is the Law of the Land! Your idea is to cheat your way to power by circumventing the Constitution every chance your get. There's the difference.
    Who claimed that the Constitution was not the law of the land? Take that phony straw man back into your barn.

    Changing the Constitution has been done many many many times over the years to correct problems with it . That is as American as the proverbial apple pie and the Founding Fathers provided a system for it. That is not at all CIRCUMVENTING it. That is just plain ridiculous.
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    Re: Electoral College Members Can Defy Voters’ Wishes, Court Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    California gets what 58 EC votes....i get it...you dont think that is enough...maybe 80? 85?
    Zero for any states would be more democratic and keeping in the principles of one person and one vote.
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