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Can This Scenario Happen ?

Jason Warfield said:
Doubt that she would do nothing. Especially if she thought she was just a placeholder for November 2020. In all honesty she would encourage Democrats in the House to start passing for the Senate so McConnell can shoot them down...paving the way for not only the future presidential elections but future Congressional elections by insisting that the GOP are simple obstructionists putting party over country. That would be the game plan< I think.
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Yes but she'd have no agenda of policies, as you say she'd just be a placeholder and waste time doing nothing or next to nothing.

I'd have thought it would be better to pass the baton earlier rather than later.
 
brothern said:
Yes, but before that.

If McConnell decided Trump needed to be removed from office and made that known, McConnell and Pelosi would broker a deal to force Pence's resignation and confirm a new Vice President.

That's exactly how Spiro Agnew's resignation on the onset of Nixon's impeachment was handled.

In October 1973, both the House and Senate was controlled by the Democratic Party. At that time the House was initiating the impeachment proceedings of Nixon. In light of that - as well as the coming fruition of the DoJ investigation into Agnew with respect to tax fraud, bribery and extortion - Agnew resigned.

That vacancy therefore put Democratic House Speaker Carl Albert as first in line of succession. He could have theoretically delayed the nomination of Vice President while simultaneously pushing the impeaching of Nixon forward. And you're right that that would have given him the chance to become the President without having to win an election.

However Speaker Albert deferred to the democratic process and along with the Democratic-controlled Senate confirmed Gerald Ford to the Presidency. Thereafter, Speaker Albert initiated the impeachment proceedings against Nixon knowing full well that Ford would become the President if Nixon were impeached and removed from office.

Now, even in today's radicalized Congress, if Sen. McConnell privately or publicly conceded to remove Trump from office, Speaker Pelosi would certainly follow the same exact same democratic process. Not just because Pelosi respects our democratic political process, but because if Pelosi were to reverse course and not push forward with impeachment proceedings against Trump, despite McConnell's come-to-Jesus, it would result in a literal left-wing political revolt and blatant suicide attempt in the 2020 election.
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So get Trump to resign rather be removed. Get Pence to resign and have Trump replace him before "falling on his sword" ?

Trump has no loyalty to the Republican Party...he'd watch the party burn before quitting. I honestly can't see him resigning. He just won't admit to losing.
 
Rich2018 said:
Hypothetical situation - Can it happen:

Let's say Trump AND Pence are impeached and removed from office by the Senate.

Let's call this R day.

R + 1: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi takes the Oath of Office and becomes the 46th president of the USA

(does the Constitution say she has to quit her office as Congressman for Northern California?)

R + 2: President Nancy Pelosi nominates Hilary as VP

R + 3: Hilary takes the oath of office as VP

R + 4: President Nancy Pelosi resigns as president of the USA and returns to the house as Speaker

R + 5: Hilary is sworn in as the 47th president of the USA.



Can this happen ?
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Yeah. It ain't gonna, but it's legal, so long as the house votes to confirm Clinton.

I am more likely to be hit by a meteor than this is to happen, though.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Yeah. It ain't gonna, but it's legal, so long as the house votes to confirm Clinton.

I am more likely to be hit by a meteor than this is to happen, though.
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do you think:

1. Trump will not be impeached and removed
2. Trump is removed but Pence hangs on
3. Trump and Pence are removed but Pelosi stays as president until the election in November
4. President Pelosi hands over to another Democrat as PotUSA but not Hilary?
 
Rich2018 said:
Hypothetical situation - Can it happen:

Let's say Trump AND Pence are impeached and removed from office by the Senate.

Let's call this R day.

R + 1: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi takes the Oath of Office and becomes the 46th president of the USA

(does the Constitution say she has to quit her office as Congressman for Northern California?)

R + 2: President Nancy Pelosi nominates Hilary as VP

R + 3: Hilary takes the oath of office as VP

R + 4: President Nancy Pelosi resigns as president of the USA and returns to the house as Speaker

R + 5: Hilary is sworn in as the 47th president of the USA.



Can this happen ?
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Not even remotely possible, no.
 
Rich2018 said:
Hypothetical situation - Can it happen:

Let's say Trump AND Pence are impeached and removed from office by the Senate.

Let's call this R day.

R + 1: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi takes the Oath of Office and becomes the 46th president of the USA

(does the Constitution say she has to quit her office as Congressman for Northern California?)

R + 2: President Nancy Pelosi nominates Hilary as VP

R + 3: Hilary takes the oath of office as VP

R + 4: President Nancy Pelosi resigns as president of the USA and returns to the house as Speaker

R + 5: Hilary is sworn in as the 47th president of the USA.



Can this happen ?
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I think Nancy would hold onto the presidency with every fiber of her being.

Neither Trump or Pence is going to leave office. Maybe if Trump wins a second term.
 
swing_voter said:
I think Nancy would hold onto the presidency with every fiber of her being.

Neither Trump or Pence is going to leave office. Maybe if Trump wins a second term.
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Nancy Pelosi has shown no interest in running for president, if she were to become the PotUSA do you think she'd try to contest the election next year ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Where does it break down ?
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Your scenario could never be a possibility, it would break down at the point where you've posed the possibility of Nancy Pelosi choosing Hillary Clinton as VP.

Presidential Succession:
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 6, Constitution of the United States: In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be electedIn the case that the president can no longer serve, the vice president would serve as president.
If the vice president cannot serve, the line of succession falls to the speaker of the House, then to the Senate president pro tempore, then to Cabinet members.

The Cabinet line of succession is:
1. Secretary of State
2. Secretary of the Treasury
3. Secretary of Defense
4. Attorney General
5. Secretary of the Interior
6. Secretary of Agriculture
7. Secretary of Commerce
8. Secretary of Labor
9. Secretary of Health and Human Services
10. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
11. Secretary of Transportation
12. Secretary of Energy
13. Secretary of Education
14. Secretary of Veterans Affairs
15. Secretary of Homeland Security
The 25th Amendment allows the vice president to serve as acting president temporarily in the case that the president is ill or otherwise temporarily unable to fulfill his or her official duties.
 
HumblePi said:
Your scenario could never be a possibility, it would break down at the point where you've posed the possibility of Nancy Pelosi choosing Hillary Clinton as VP.

Presidential Succession:
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 6, Constitution of the United States: In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be electedIn the case that the president can no longer serve, the vice president would serve as president.
If the vice president cannot serve, the line of succession falls to the speaker of the House, then to the Senate president pro tempore, then to Cabinet members.

The Cabinet line of succession is:
1. Secretary of State
2. Secretary of the Treasury
3. Secretary of Defense
4. Attorney General
5. Secretary of the Interior
6. Secretary of Agriculture
7. Secretary of Commerce
8. Secretary of Labor
9. Secretary of Health and Human Services
10. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
11. Secretary of Transportation
12. Secretary of Energy
13. Secretary of Education
14. Secretary of Veterans Affairs
15. Secretary of Homeland Security
The 25th Amendment allows the vice president to serve as acting president temporarily in the case that the president is ill or otherwise temporarily unable to fulfill his or her official duties.
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Thank you for your list.

So if Trump and Pence are removed from office or resign we will get a President Pelosi.

She will select a Vice President - and you do not think there's possibility of selecting Hilary. Why is that ? Does Nancy Pelosi just not like Hilary or does she think that the Senate just wouldn't approve her as VP ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Thank you for your list.

So if Trump and Pence are removed from office or resign we will get a President Pelosi.

She will select a Vice President - and you do not think there's possibility of selecting Hilary. Why is that ? Does Nancy Pelosi just not like Hilary or does she think that the Senate just wouldn't approve her as VP ?
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Nancy Pelosi is bound by the US Constitution to make her selection according to the list as set forth in the constitution. You seem to be unreasonably concerned about Hillary Clinton being VP and that's never going to happen. Hillary Clinton does not hold any of those positions on the list, so it's a virtual impossibility of what you fear will happen.
 
HumblePi said:
Nancy Pelosi is bound by the US Constitution to make her selection according to the list. You seem to be unreasonably concerned about Hillary Clinton being VP and that's never going to happen. Hillary Clinton does not hold any of those positions on the list, so it's a literal impossibility of what you fear will happen.
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I don't think that is so.

Which of those positions did Gerald Ford have ?


If it is the case that the new President Nancy Pelosi must pick from that list of Trump appointees, then she fires one and replaces with Hilary.
What am I missing ?
 
Rich2018 said:
I don't think that is so.

Which of those positions did Gerald Ford have ?


If it is the case that the new President Nancy Pelosi must pick from that list of Trump appointees, then she fires one and replaces with Hilary.
What am I missing ?
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It is so, it's right in the Constitution. Gerald Ford was the Vice President, remember?
 
Rich2018 said:
Hypothetical situation - Can it happen:

Let's say Trump AND Pence are impeached and removed from office by the Senate.

Let's call this R day.

R + 1: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi takes the Oath of Office and becomes the 46th president of the USA

(does the Constitution say she has to quit her office as Congressman for Northern California?)

R + 2: President Nancy Pelosi nominates Hilary as VP

R + 3: Hilary takes the oath of office as VP

R + 4: President Nancy Pelosi resigns as president of the USA and returns to the house as Speaker

R + 5: Hilary is sworn in as the 47th president of the USA.



Can this happen ?
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So Clinton can be known as the second woman president? She'll never go along with that.
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The biggest question: why would they confirm thst the impeach was indeed a plot to overturn a leigitimate election?

That could start a civil war.
 
apdst said:
So Clinton can be known as the second woman president? She'll never go along with that.
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The biggest question: why would they confirm thst the impeach was indeed a plot to overturn a leigitimate election?

That could start a civil war.
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Who, Nancy or Hilary ?


Isn't every impeachment at attempt to overturn a legitimate presidential election ?


Why would it spark a civil war ?
If it does, the US army will ensure it's a damn short war.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes, but do you not remember that Ford wasn't elected as Vice President but appointed by Nixon ?
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He wasn't "appointed" by Nixon. Gerald Ford became president according to the Constitutional line of succession when Richard Nixon resigned.

Are you an American?
 
I didn't think Southern Christians would elect a New York mafia dude. So I guess anything can happen.
 
Rich2018 said:
Who, Nancy or Hilary ?


Isn't every impeachment at attempt to overturn a legitimate presidential election ?


Why would it spark a civil war ?
If it does, the US army will ensure it's a damn short war.
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No, it isn't. That isn't what it's for. The Constitution says so.
 
HumblePi said:
He wasn't "appointed" by Nixon. Gerald Ford became president according to the Constitutional line of succession when Richard Nixon resigned....
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Yes he was. Ford was appointed as VP by Nixon to replace Spiro Agnew who resigned as VP:


"...on October 10, 1973, Vice President Spiro Agnew resigned and then pleaded no contest to criminal charges of tax evasion and money laundering...according to The New York Times, Nixon "sought advice from senior Congressional leaders about a replacement." The advice was unanimous. "We gave Nixon no choice but Ford," House Speaker Carl Albert recalled later. Ford agreed to the nomination, telling his wife that the Vice Presidency would be "a nice conclusion" to his career...."

Gerald Ford - Wikipedia


Gerald Ford remains the only man to have served as Vice President and President of the USA without being elected to either office.


...are you an American?
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No I'm not, though it seems I know more about US history than you do.
 
apdst said:
No, it isn't. That isn't what it's for. The Constitution says so.
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No, it's a process to remove a bad president.

Never-the-less each impeachment procedure (of a president) seeks to remove the sitting president from office, an office he attained via a legitimate election.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes he was. Ford was appointed as VP by Nixon to replace Spiro Agnew who resigned as VP:


"...on October 10, 1973, Vice President Spiro Agnew resigned and then pleaded no contest to criminal charges of tax evasion and money laundering...according to The New York Times, Nixon "sought advice from senior Congressional leaders about a replacement." The advice was unanimous. "We gave Nixon no choice but Ford," House Speaker Carl Albert recalled later. Ford agreed to the nomination, telling his wife that the Vice Presidency would be "a nice conclusion" to his career...."

Gerald Ford - Wikipedia


Gerald Ford remains the only man to have served as Vice President and President of the USA without being elected to either office.




No I'm not, though it seems I know more about US history than you do.
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You have used the term "appointed" in regard to Nixon's successor. Nixon CHOSE him in 1973, he didn't 'appoint' him like a king would appoint a minister. All the other stuff you're talking about, freaking out about Hillary Clinton being "appointed" by Nancy Pelosi if she succeeds Trump is nothing but pure fantasy. If you believe any of your own foolish ramblings then you're the one that hasn't a clue.

I think you should stop stressing over a potential Hillary Clinton president or VP. It's never going to happen.
 
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Rich2018 said:
No, it's a process to remove a bad president.

Never-the-less each impeachment procedure (of a president) seeks to remove the sitting president from office, an office he attained via a legitimate election.
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It's a process used to remove any Federal officer that has committed "treaso, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors". It isn't for removing a president because you're butthurt about losing.
 
HumblePi said:
You have used the term "appointed" in regard to Nixon's successor. Nixon CHOSE him in 1973, he didn't 'appoint' him like a king would appoint a minister....
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Well if you want to get technical, under the 25th Amendment, Nixon actually NOMINATED Ford for VP and his subsequent appointment was confirmed by Congress. Later Ford was to nominate his successor as VP when became president.


... all the other stuff you're talking about, freaking out about Hillary Clinton being "appointed" by Nancy Pelosi if she succeeds Trump is nothing but pure fantasy....
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The prospect of Hilary becoming President seems to have "freaked" you out...are you saying Nancy Pelosi would never NOMINATE Hilary for the appointment as VP or Congress would never approve her appointment ?



...if you believe any of your own foolish ramblings then you're the one that hasn't a clue....
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At least I knew Gerald Ford was never elected to either office of president or vice president and have to scramble frantically for something in which to save face.
Ford's appointment to the office of VP was confirmed by Congress following nomination by Nixon. It wasn't an automatic succession.


Post #67 "...Ford became president according to the Constitutional line of succession when Richard Nixon resigned."
 
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apdst said:
It's a process used to remove any Federal officer that has committed "treaso, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors". It isn't for removing a president because you're butthurt about losing.
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No, Republicans need to remember this when they shamelessly impeached Bill Clinton in 1998.


In Trump's case it's a question of House Democrats being unable to ignore Trump's criminality any longer. He HAS to be impeached and removed.
 
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