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Why not just take the vote?

Acadia said:
Now you get what Nancy is doing with this sham of an impeachment. No rules for me, but rules for thee, right?

Here's what you need to know; Trump isn't going to be removed. Period.

Good luck with your crapshow Dem 2020 race. I look forward to Trump winning fair and square, once again.
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He did not win fair and square the first time.

Trump will be impeached for breaking the law.
 
eman623 said:
The goal is not about removing Trump. The Dems know they don't have the votes for that in the senate. And it's definitely NOT about a speedy resolution.

It's about creating a slow acidic drip of scandal to dissolve away Trump's ability to govern. And hopefully turning enough people against him - or just creating enough Trump fatigue - to cost him the 2020 election.
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Trump’s problems are all of his own making. All of them.
 
bongsaway said:
It's about abuse of power, period. It's not up to the house to remove the president. Most agree the gop senators won't do that and risk their own seats. However impeachment is the sole property of the house and when they get ready, you can bet your bottom dollar that official impeachment hearings will start. It's all about nobody is above the law including the president.
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We will see. I'm not betting on anything here. And this is not about the law. Not at all. An impeachment is a political, not a criminal undertaking as I am constantly reminded.
 
Superfly said:
Trump’s problems are all of his own making. All of them.
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Well this current matter is definitely something Trump caused. He should not have asked the Ukrainian president to investigate Joe Biden, even though he had every right to. And if Joe is in fact dirty and abused the power of his office (which appears patently true), the American people have every right to know about it.

OTOH, The Russian collusion thing appears to have been invented out of whole cloth. Trump did not collude with them, not even a little bit.
 
tacomancer said:
I say we take as long as needed. We will catch more then the president in these crimes. We may as well drain the swamp while we are here.
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In practical terms, impeachment becomes untenable once Trump has the nomination locked up. There won't be time to pick a new candidate. The House will have to hit the pause button and let the voters decide. Which was IMO the point all along. Impeachment was never about removing the president - which is so unlikely as to be moot. It's about hobbling the president so much by scandal that he loses in 2020.

The Dems may pick the matter up again after 2020, or not. It really depends how the election goes.
 
Acadia said:
Basically, precedent, and the fact that the House impeaches. Not just the majority. Not any one committee in particular. The House.
That is a democratic process and one that conveniently and quite selectively, Pelosi eschews.
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Technically the House votes (by simple majority) to impeach.

The Senate will then conduct an impeachment trial and if the Senate votes in favor of any one or more of the articles of impeachment (drawn up by the House) the president (in this case - but it may be more) is impeached and removed from office.
 
btthegreat said:
I get tired of this question. Of course we have the evidence we need for a credible impeachment vote, because the phone call itself represents an egregious breach of his oath of office. But 'Impeachable' does not mean the same thing as successful, because the end goal is not just to present an impeachment motion.

Good prosecutors don't write up marginally adequate indictments and submit them fast. They write up thoroughly investigated and researched ones that anticipate any possible legal or factual concerns either a judge or Grand Jury may imagine. . ​


The Speaker has called for an investigation, a probe into whether the House should impeach this President. She has not decided to impeach. The House of Representatives will set up committees to call witnesses to testify. Trumpsters and GOP cannot stop them, no matter how desperate they are, and how much they whine. House committees will subpoena witnesses and documents to support the case for that vote. Trumpsters and the GOP cannot stop them or rush them. That committee will endeavor to develop a full, complete and airtight historic record of this man's high crimes and misdemeanors based on his recent breaches of office and they will develop a legal, moral and political case for removal.

Then they will decide whether they ought to take articles of impeachment that they write, and report them first to the House floor through a vote, and then the full House, including the President's supporters, will decide whether to impeach this President and prepare for trial. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. The Speaker is not prejudging those decisions.

Some people may not want a full complete historical record of everything this administration did. Nancy Pelosi does. Some people may not want to see those legal, moral and political arguments for removal, fully prepared and on display in that committee report. Nancy Pelosi does.

That's too bad for some people.
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This is definitely a dilemma for Pelosi. Criminals don't cooperate. You start digging and it seems to never end. How much is enough? I guess she needs to balance discovering and revealing the extent of Trump's corruption and risk dragging it out too long with taking what she's got and ignoring the rest. A tough call.
 
clapee said:
Hmm. I wonder if Obama or Cli Tom ever did the same thing... Hmm...
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If they did, why did the GOP controlled Congress let it slide?
Were the ****ers in Congress just too god-damned corrupt to take action?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
If they did, why did the GOP controlled Congress let it slide?
Were the ****ers in Congress just too god-damned corrupt to take action?
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Because President Obama never abused the Constitution like Trump does

Because President Obama never broke the law

Because there never was any large public opinion to impeach President Obama.
 
Rich2018 said:
Because President Obama never abused the Constitution like Trump does

Because President Obama never broke the law

Because there never was any large public opinion to impeach President Obama.
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If memory serves, Obama told Medvedev to tell Putin he would have more latitude with sanctions after the election.

Seems to me he was telling Putin he would be more gracious to him after reelection. If Russia meddles in elections, was this a campaign violation?
 
Rich2018 said:
Technically the House votes (by simple majority) to impeach.

The Senate will then conduct an impeachment trial and if the Senate votes in favor of any one or more of the articles of impeachment (drawn up by the House) the president (in this case - but it may be more) is impeached and removed from office.
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Impeachment occurs when the house votes yes on articles of impeachment. The Senate votes on removal of office and whether the official is barred from holding another office of trust.

If it gets to the senate, the official has already been impeached.
 
Rich2018 said:
Technically the House votes (by simple majority) to impeach.

The Senate will then conduct an impeachment trial and if the Senate votes in favor of any one or more of the articles of impeachment (drawn up by the House) the president (in this case - but it may be more) is impeached and removed from office.
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Back up to the start of the impeachment process, the impeachment inquiry. In the cases of Clinton and Nixon the impeachment inquiry with an authorization from a majority of the House given in a full floor vote. Pelosi will not allow a floor vote because only Democrats will vote for it and it might fail. In addition a legitimate impeachment inquiry would give Republicans the ability to call witnesses and develop evidence using subpoenas. Oh the horror. Instead we get a political assassination attempt by partisan Democrat Resistance zealots conducted in closed door hearings they control and selectively "leaks" of talking points to media cronies. Any impeachment motion produced by this corrupt process is invalid and only contributes to the toxic atmosphere generated by the Resistance.
 
clapee said:
Impeachment occurs when the house votes yes on articles of impeachment. The Senate votes on removal of office and whether the official is barred from holding another office of trust.

If it gets to the senate, the official has already been impeached.
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Yes the president (or whoever) is impeached by the House and tried in the senate.

The word "impeached" sound like a conviction, but and impeached president may be found not guilty by the senate. A House vote is to Impeach someone or not, a Senate vote is to remove them from office, or not.

The senate can vote to bar an impeached and removed president from ever holding office again - or it may not. It is possible for a removed president to hold public office again.
 
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