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How impeachment actually works

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Here is a handy little article on how the impeachment process works. This is the practice that has been historically followed in the past. I wanted to pass this along to everyone.

How does impeachment work? Here is the step-by-step process

Another article on the matter: Impeachment in the United States - Wikipedia

Quotes from both...

AJC said:
  • First, an impeachment resolution must be introduced by a member of the House of Representatives.
  • The speaker of the House must then direct the U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary (or a special committee) to hold a hearing on the resolution to decide whether to put the measure to a vote by the full chamber and when to hold such a vote.
  • A simple majority of the Judiciary Committee must approve the resolution.
  • If the Judiciary Committee approves the resolution, it moves to a full vote on the House floor.
  • If a simple majority of the those present and voting in the House approve an article of impeachment, then the president is impeached.
  • The procedure then moves to the Senate where a “trialâ€� is held to determine if the president committed a crime. There is no set procedure for the trial. How it is conducted would be set by the Senate leadership.
  • Members of the House serve as “managersâ€� in the Senate trial. Managers serve a similar role as prosecutors do in a criminal trial, they present evidence during the procedure.
  • The president would have counsel to represent him at the Senate process.
  • The chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court presides over the trial.
  • Senators listen to the evidence presented, including closing arguments from each side and retire to deliberate.
  • Senators then reconvene and vote on whether the president is guilty or not guilty of the crimes he is accused of. It takes a two-thirds vote of the Senate to convict. If the president is found guilty, he is removed from office and the vice president is sworn-in as president.

Wikipedia said:
A number of rules have been adopted by the House and Senate, and are honored by tradition.

Jefferson's Manual, which is integral to the Rules of the House of Representatives,[16] states that impeachment is set in motion by charges made on the floor, charges proferred by a memorial, a member's resolution referred to a committee, a message from the president, or from facts developed and reported by an investigating committee of the House. It further states that a proposition to impeach is a question of high privilege in the House and at once supersedes business otherwise in order under the rules governing the order of business.

The House Practice: A Guide to the Rules, Precedents and Procedures of the House[17] is a reference source for information on the rules and selected precedents governing the House procedure, prepared by the House Parliamentarian. The manual has a chapter on the House's rules, procedures, and precedent for impeachment.

In 1974, as part of the preliminary investigation in the Nixon impeachment inquiry, the staff of the Impeachment Inquiry of the House Judiciary Committee prepared a report, Constitutional Grounds for Presidential Impeachment.[6] The primary focus of the Report is the definition of the term "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" and the relationship to criminality, which the Report traces through history from English roots, through the debates at the 1787 Constitutional Convention, and the history of the impeachments before 1974.

The 1974 report has been expanded and revised on several occasions by the Congressional Research Service, and the current version Impeachment and Removal dates from October 2015.[1] While this document is only staff recommendation, as a practical matter, today it is probably the single most influential definition of "high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

The Senate has formal Rules and Procedures of Practice in the Senate When Sitting on Impeachment Trials.[18]

I went ahead and bolded the step we are on. I figured the people claiming this needs a full house vote could use a primer on what the process actually is...
 
...I went ahead and bolded the step we are on. I figured the people claiming this needs a full house vote could use a primer on what the process actually is...

Does the president have to comply with the U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary (or a special committee) ?
 
Does the president have to comply with the U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary (or a special committee) ?

House Practice: A Guide to the Rules, Precedents and Procedures of the House - Chapter 17. Contempt

Sec. 1 . In General

An individual who fails or refuses to comply with a House subpoena
may be cited for contempt of Congress. Eastland v. United States
Servicemen's Fund, 421 U.S. 491 (1975). Although the Constitution does
not expressly grant Congress the power to punish witnesses for
contempt, that power has been deemed an inherent attribute of the
legislative authority of Congress (Anderson v. Dunn, 19 U.S. 204
(1821)) so far as necessary to preserve and exercise the legislative
authority expressly granted (Marshall v. Gordon, 243 U.S. 521 (1917)).
However, as a power of self-preservation, a means and not an end, the
power does not extend to infliction of punishment. Manual
Sec. Sec. 294-296.
To supplement this inherent power, Congress in 1857 adopted an
alternative statutory contempt procedure. Sec. 2, infra. Thus, the
House may either (1) certify a recalcitrant witness to the appropriate
United States Attorney for possible indictment under this statute or
(2) exercise its inherent power to commit for contempt by detaining
the witness in the custody of the Sergeant-at-Arms. Manual Sec. 296.
The statutory procedure is the one used in modern practice, but the
``inherent power'' remains available. In one instance, the House
invoked both procedures against a witness. 3 Hinds Sec. 1672.
In contrast, the Senate may invoke its civil contempt statute (2
USC Sec. 288d) to direct the Senate legal counsel to bring an action
in Federal court

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to compel a witness to comply with the subpoena of a committee of the
Senate.
Under the inherent contempt power of the House, the recalcitrant
witness may be arrested and brought to trial before the bar of the
House, with the offender facing possible incarceration. 3 Hinds
Sec. 1685. At the trial of the witness in the House, questions may be
put to the witness by the Speaker (2 Hinds Sec. 1602) or by a
committee (2 Hinds Sec. 1617; 3 Hinds Sec. 1668). In one instance, the
matter was investigated by a committee, the respondent was then
brought to the bar of the House, and a resolution was reported to the
House for its vote. 2 Hinds Sec. 1628.
The inherent power of Congress to find a recalcitrant witness in
contempt has not been invoked by the House in recent years because of
the time-consuming nature of the trial and because the jurisdiction of
the House cannot extend beyond the end of a Congress. See Anderson v.
Dunn, 19 U.S. 204 (1821). The first exercise of this power in the
House occurred in 1812, when the House proceeded against a newspaper
editor who declined to identify his source of information that had
been disclosed from executive session. 3 Hinds Sec. 1666. Such powers
had been exercised before the adoption of the Constitution by the
Continental Congress as well as by England's House of Lords and House
of Commons. Jurney v. MacCracken, 294 U.S. 125 (1935). Although the
use of such powers was supported by the Supreme Court in Jurney,
neither House has used them since 1935

Anderson v. Dunn | The First Amendment Encyclopedia

In Anderson v. Dunn, 19 U.S. 204 (1821), the Supreme Court unanimously upheld the right of the House of Representatives to cite individuals for contempt, but limited its power to imprison them beyond the session and ruled out corporal or capital punishments.

It is the first case in which the Court specifically references the freedoms of speech and press (Gibson 1986: 276).


The House’s contempt powers explained - National Constitution Center

Based on precedent, statutes, and court rulings, the House and the Senate each have the power to invoke three types of contempt proceedings if a committee believes someone is obstructing its investigative powers ... The first type of contempt power is a citation of criminal contempt of Congress. This power comes from a statute passed by Congress in 1857. Once a committee rules that an act of criminal contempt has occurred, the Speaker of the House or Senate President refers the matter to the appropriate U.S. attorney’s office...

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Here is a handy little article on how the impeachment process works. This is the practice that has been historically followed in the past. I wanted to pass this along to everyone.

How does impeachment work? Here is the step-by-step process

Another article on the matter: Impeachment in the United States - Wikipedia

Quotes from both...





I went ahead and bolded the step we are on. I figured the people claiming this needs a full house vote could use a primer on what the process actually is...

The problem with where we are at today is that Pelosi, back in Jan 2018, changed key rules regarding how committee's conduct their business. These changes have the effect of shutting the minority party out of the actions that the majority takes.

In effect, Pelosi has usurped the House of Representatives for her own purposes.
 
We have a current president who thinks not - another article of impeachment ?

it depends on how he acts if contempt orders are issued

Honestly, I hope Pelosi isn't that stupid, that will look very partisan and unnecessary.
 
The problem with where we are at today is that Pelosi, back in Jan 2018, changed key rules regarding how committee's conduct their business. These changes have the effect of shutting the minority party out of the actions that the majority takes.

In effect, Pelosi has usurped the House of Representatives for her own purposes.

Other members calling pesky witnesses? Why would we want that?
 
...in effect, Pelosi has usurped the House of Representatives for her own purposes.


Nope, Leader of the House Nancy Pelosi was, if anything, responding to the clamoring of her own people.

She is but one woman, if she didn't enjoy support, she could hardly "usurp" anything.


Now Trump has tried to usurp rules and Constitutional law. Where's your condemnation of him ?
 
it depends on how he acts if contempt orders are issued

Honestly, I hope Pelosi isn't that stupid, that will look very partisan and unnecessary.

Trump has said he won't co-operated until AFTER a vote to impeach has been held (and presumably been carried).


ie: he'll co-operate with the Senate at his trial and not before to any impeachment hearings.
 
Generally I agree with you. However, when dealing with the President it is not so simple given the separation of powers.

I don't think this power has been tested since the late 1800s, so, yeah, it may end up working differently these days.
 
I don't think this power has been tested since the late 1800s, so, yeah, it may end up working differently these days.

Well, to what I was specifically referring is Congress’ contempt power. Where it may not be limited in other respects, it may be limited by the separation of powers.
 
Well, to what I was specifically referring is Congress’ contempt power. Where it may not be limited in other respects, it may be limited by the separation of powers.

yup, that hasn't been tested lately against the expanded theory of executive privilege.
 
yup, that hasn't been tested lately against the expanded theory of executive privilege.

How can the House decide whether to send to trial if it's denied an opportunity to review the evidence ?

If Trump refuses to comply then "Obstruction of justice needs to be added to the impeachment articles"
 
How can the House decide whether to send to trial if it's denied an opportunity to review the evidence ?

If Trump refuses to comply then "Obstruction of justice needs to be added to the impeachment articles"

I think compelling to testify should be the first option, but it may be a matter for courts. If that doesn't work, obstruction of justice would indeed be justified.
 
I think compelling to testify should be the first option, but it may be a matter for courts. If that doesn't work, obstruction of justice would indeed be justified.

The president can't be indicted.

He/she can only be impeached.
 
The president can't be indicted.

He/she can only be impeached.

He can be impeached by the house and convicted by the senate (essentially firing him from the job). Any indictments would be a matter for the courts if my understanding is correct.
 
The problem with where we are at today is that Pelosi, back in Jan 2018, changed key rules regarding how committee's conduct their business. These changes have the effect of shutting the minority party out of the actions that the majority takes.

In effect, Pelosi has usurped the House of Representatives for her own purposes.
You mean like Moscow bitch?
 
What did you mean to say and what evidence do you have to take such a view ?

Don't worry about it. You weren't part of the conversation and you obviously can't read. Me explaining it to you would be a waste of time.

Moving on...
 
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