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    Re: W:276]14th Amendment - Original Intent and Roe V Wade

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Whose freedom does the 2nd Amendment restrict ?
    The Bill of Rights spells out specific personal rights that the government is obligated to observe.

    The second Amendment does not restrict the government from limiting the types of firearms, but only the prohibition against all firearms. That's why you don't get to own a surface-to-air missile launcher or fully automatic machine guns without significant accountability measures.

    Can you name any specific STATUTE that does not restrict someone's freedom?

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    Re: W:276]14th Amendment - Original Intent and Roe V Wade

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealers Wheel View Post
    The Bill of Rights spells out specific personal rights that the government is obligated to observe.

    The second Amendment does not restrict the government from limiting the types of firearms, but only the prohibition against all firearms. That's why you don't get to own a surface-to-air missile launcher or fully automatic machine guns without significant accountability measures.

    Can you name any specific STATUTE that does not restrict someone's freedom?
    The 2nd Amendment doesn't say that. It places no restrictions on what weapons a citizen may own - but then again it meant muzzle loading muskets not atom bombs and jet bombers which were inconceivable in the 18th century.
    So the 2nd Amendment places NO restrictions on citizens, merely the US government.

    The US government is not stupid though and places restrictions on the 2nd that are not specified...it similarly ruled the the $100 fine (a lot in the 18th century) for not filling in a census applied to EVERY question...again it twisted the meaning of the Constitution to meet modern times.

    Ah you want a STATUTE not a Constitutional Amendment as an example of a law.
    How about statutes legalizing marijuana ?


    State Medical Marijuana Laws

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    Re: W:276]14th Amendment - Original Intent and Roe V Wade

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Ah you want a STATUTE not a Constitutional Amendment as an example of a law.
    How about statutes legalizing marijuana ?
    State Medical Marijuana Laws
    Are you suggesting that marijuana came into existence as an illegal drug? No, of course not. It was perfectly legal for much of U.S. existence. Freedom. Then someone came along, passed a law that restricted someone's freedom to consume marijuana. Medical marijuana laws simply carved out exceptions to the original law that restricted people's freedom.

    Abortion was originally legal until somebody decided it wasn't. The sides battled all the way to the USSC and Roe v Wade was the result. One side lost, and they have been seeking ways to nullify the ruling ever since.

    These same people were the ones who fought against the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, The Equal Rights Amendment, Gay rights, etc., because they love the freedoms that those laws restricted them from enjoying. It would appear that their mantra is "Freedom for me, but not for thee!"

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    Re: W:276]14th Amendment - Original Intent and Roe V Wade

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    The 2nd Amendment doesn't say that. It places no restrictions on what weapons a citizen may own - but then again it meant muzzle loading muskets not atom bombs and jet bombers which were inconceivable in the 18th century.
    So the 2nd Amendment places NO restrictions on citizens, merely the US government.

    The US government is not stupid though and places restrictions on the 2nd that are not specified...it similarly ruled the the $100 fine (a lot in the 18th century) for not filling in a census applied to EVERY question...again it twisted the meaning of the Constitution to meet modern times.

    Ah you want a STATUTE not a Constitutional Amendment as an example of a law.
    How about statutes legalizing marijuana ?


    State Medical Marijuana Laws
    For the purpose of a well regulated militia.

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    Re: W:276]14th Amendment - Original Intent and Roe V Wade

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealers Wheel View Post
    Are you suggesting that marijuana came into existence as an illegal drug? No, of course not. It was perfectly legal for much of U.S. existence. Freedom. Then someone came along, passed a law that restricted someone's freedom to consume marijuana. Medical marijuana laws simply carved out exceptions to the original law that restricted people's freedom.

    Abortion was originally legal until somebody decided it wasn't. The sides battled all the way to the USSC and Roe v Wade was the result. One side lost, and they have been seeking ways to nullify the ruling ever since.

    These same people were the ones who fought against the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, The Equal Rights Amendment, Gay rights, etc., because they love the freedoms that those laws restricted them from enjoying. It would appear that their mantra is "Freedom for me, but not for thee!"
    Reminds me of the fatal flaw of classical liberalism. They made huge exceptions that reflected their personal biases. It was a feature, not a bug.

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    Re: W:276]14th Amendment - Original Intent and Roe V Wade

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealers Wheel View Post
    Are you suggesting that marijuana came into existence as an illegal drug? No, of course not. It was perfectly legal for much of U.S. existence. Freedom. Then someone came along, passed a law that restricted someone's freedom to consume marijuana. Medical marijuana laws simply carved out exceptions to the original law that restricted people's freedom.

    Abortion was originally legal until somebody decided it wasn't. The sides battled all the way to the USSC and Roe v Wade was the result. One side lost, and they have been seeking ways to nullify the ruling ever since.

    These same people were the ones who fought against the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, The Equal Rights Amendment, Gay rights, etc., because they love the freedoms that those laws restricted them from enjoying. It would appear that their mantra is "Freedom for me, but not for thee!"
    Well most things were illegal until some decided it wasn't - speeding for instance

    You asked for a STATUTE that restricted people's freedoms, I just gave you one.

    How about this law:

    "The recently-passed $305-billion highway bill will make it much easier for replicas of vintage cars to rumble down the road. Under part of the new law, companies can sell up to 325 reproductions with a full powertrain annually of a model that's at least 25 years old. After certification from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and Environmental Protection Agency, these vehicles don't have to meet crash safety standards or state pollution tests, but they do need to pass current federal emissions rules...."


    New law paves way for more replica vintage cars | Autoblog


    So your claim that ALL laws restrict personal freedom is utterly refuted.

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    Re: W:276]14th Amendment - Original Intent and Roe V Wade

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Well most things were illegal until some decided it wasn't - speeding for instance

    You asked for a STATUTE that restricted people's freedoms, I just gave you one.

    How about this law:

    "The recently-passed $305-billion highway bill will make it much easier for replicas of vintage cars to rumble down the road. Under part of the new law, companies can sell up to 325 reproductions with a full powertrain annually of a model that's at least 25 years old. After certification from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and Environmental Protection Agency, these vehicles don't have to meet crash safety standards or state pollution tests, but they do need to pass current federal emissions rules...."


    New law paves way for more replica vintage cars | Autoblog


    So your claim that ALL laws restrict personal freedom is utterly refuted.
    So you're saying that these replica cars are restricted from polluting the air unfettered? Why can't they have the freedom to blow blue smoke up and down the highway? What is the government's overriding interest?

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    Re: W:276]14th Amendment - Original Intent and Roe V Wade

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealers Wheel View Post
    So you're saying that these replica cars are restricted from polluting the air unfettered? Why can't they have the freedom to blow blue smoke up and down the highway? What is the government's overriding interest?
    That would be a DIFFERENT law to control emissions - and are you saying inanimate objects like cars, that posses no rights, are or should be viewed the same as people who do ?

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    Re: W:276]14th Amendment - Original Intent and Roe V Wade

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    That would be a DIFFERENT law to control emissions - and are you saying inanimate objects like cars, that posses no rights, are or should be viewed the same as people who do ?
    Play your games. Hijack the the thread on abortion, whatever.

    Laws are enacted to limit someone's freedom, the 2nd amendment limits the government's freedom to disarm its citizenry.

    Roe v Wade struck down laws that prohibited abortion.

    All laws restrict someone's freedom.

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    Re: W:276]14th Amendment - Original Intent and Roe V Wade

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealers Wheel View Post
    Play your games. Hijack the the thread on abortion, whatever.

    ??? Have you run out of things to say ?

    ...laws are enacted to limit someone's freedom, the 2nd amendment limits the government's freedom to disarm its citizenry.....

    Yawn

    The government ISN'T a person

    The 2nd Amendment doesn't restrict people...it enables or empowers them

    Do you really not understand this or are you pedantically playing your "game" rather admit to making a fallacious statement ?


    ...Roe v Wade struck down laws that prohibited abortion....

    So that too didn't restrict personal freedom ?


    ...all laws restrict someone's freedom.


    As stated the 2nd Amendment doesn't restrict anyone's freedom....and the government isn't a person but an institution transiently occupied by many, many people...all of them who are not restricted by the 2nd Amendment in any way.

    If you're incapable of understanding this, think of a name of a person who is restricted by the 2nd Amendment.

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