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    Re: A “Parchment Barrier” Needs Enforcement

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    You only appeal to emotion not "the Purse"....
    Nope, only that was an easy example of how Congress can spend money on anything and claim it is for the general welfare - though in truth all expenditures can be.


    ...our alleged War on Terror is even more destructive....
    You are confused

    You're confusing spending money to achieve an aim with how the agency in receipt of those funds goes about achieving that aim

    If you want to criticize how agencies fro the FBI to the US Army go about defeating terrorist organisations, then go right ahead
    But it's not unconstitutional for Congress to have such a goal and spend money in the hope of achieving it - they are after all, supposed to be the experts

    In another example, the US Dept of Defense has wasted countless billions on projects designed to defend the USA

    ...Tax Cut economics means it cannot be, really really important under Capitalism where we should get what we Pay for.

    Enact real times of War tax rates, right wingers, if you are really really serious.

    Tax cuts are unconstitutional ?

    Did you mean that - in which case please explain.

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    Re: A “Parchment Barrier” Needs Enforcement

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    Did you just now learn about Might Makes Right?
    So the idea of killing your opponents works for you? Amazing!
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    Re: A “Parchment Barrier” Needs Enforcement

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So the idea of killing your opponents works for you? Amazing!
    Is the right now advocating that ?

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    Re: A “Parchment Barrier” Needs Enforcement

    People seem to treat the US constitution as holy writ rather than a document written in the 18th century for 18th century conditions. It is too restrictive for modern government. It should be completely re-written so that it can be easily updated as society evolves to deal with changing social needs.
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    Re: A “Parchment Barrier” Needs Enforcement

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Nope, only that was an easy example of how Congress can spend money on anything and claim it is for the general welfare - though in truth all expenditures can be.




    You are confused

    You're confusing spending money to achieve an aim with how the agency in receipt of those funds goes about achieving that aim

    If you want to criticize how agencies fro the FBI to the US Army go about defeating terrorist organisations, then go right ahead
    But it's not unconstitutional for Congress to have such a goal and spend money in the hope of achieving it - they are after all, supposed to be the experts

    In another example, the US Dept of Defense has wasted countless billions on projects designed to defend the USA


    Tax cuts are unconstitutional ?

    Did you mean that - in which case please explain.
    Only if Persons in Congress are unfaithful to our Constitution. We only need, Ten simple Commandments from a God, for free; not the Expense of Government if the subjective value of morals is involved.

    You also seem to be missing the point about spending. There is no general warfare clause nor any common offense clause. Our welfare clause is General not Common.

    Our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are extra-Constitutional and are not Capitally necessary nor proper if the Richest, refuse to pay real and not fake times of wartime tax rates.

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    Re: A “Parchment Barrier” Needs Enforcement

    Quote Originally Posted by queenmandy85 View Post
    People seem to treat the US constitution as holy writ rather than a document written in the 18th century for 18th century conditions. It is too restrictive for modern government. It should be completely re-written so that it can be easily updated as society evolves to deal with changing social needs.
    lol. You don't know what you are talking about. Our Founding Fathers did an most excellent job at the convention with our federal Constitution and supreme law of the land. They invented object orientation before we discovered our Information Age. There is nothing ambiguous about our supreme law of the land.

    The right wing merely indulges their right wing fantasy, with limited result.

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    Re: A “Parchment Barrier” Needs Enforcement

    Quote Originally Posted by queenmandy85 View Post
    People seem to treat the US constitution as holy writ rather than a document written in the 18th century for 18th century conditions. It is too restrictive for modern government. It should be completely re-written so that it can be easily updated as society evolves to deal with changing social needs.
    The right see the Constitution as god's word on Earth. It is on a par with the Bible but they're quick to disregard it when it suits them.

    Yes, of course it should be re-written. Thomas Jefferson actually said that.

    It's an 18th century document that's out of place in the 21st century.

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    Re: A “Parchment Barrier” Needs Enforcement

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Only if Persons in Congress are unfaithful to our Constitution....
    You are politically blind

    Faithful or unfaithful it doesn't matter. The fact is that Congress can spend money on anything it wants to and claim it's for the general welfare of the USA
    You've been unable to prove that, by showing that every penny Congress has spent or will spend is covered and approved by the Constitution



    ...we only need, Ten simple Commandments from a God, for free; not the Expense of Government if the subjective value of morals is involved....
    LMAO

    Since when do we need the 10 commandments - most of which are bad advice ?
    Since when have they been remotely capable of acting as a basis for law or morals ?

    We don't need an Old Testament version of Sharia law

    ...you also seem to be missing the point about spending. There is no general warfare clause nor any common offense clause. Our welfare clause is General not Common....
    And the difference between general welfare and common welfare is ?


    There is no difference


    Congress might vote money for defense, how the DoD uses it, is not part of the budget



    ...our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are extra-Constitutional and are not Capitally necessary nor proper if the Richest, refuse to pay real and not fake times of wartime tax rates.
    No they are not extra-constitutional
    The Constitution allows for the defense of the USA - foreign and domestic threats.

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    Re: A “Parchment Barrier” Needs Enforcement

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    The right see the Constitution as god's word on Earth. It is on a par with the Bible but they're quick to disregard it when it suits them.

    Yes, of course it should be re-written. Thomas Jefferson actually said that.

    It's an 18th century document that's out of place in the 21st century.
    No, it isn't. There is nothing ambiguous about our federal Constitution and supreme law of the land.

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    Re: A “Parchment Barrier” Needs Enforcement

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    You are politically blind

    Faithful or unfaithful it doesn't matter. The fact is that Congress can spend money on anything it wants to and claim it's for the general welfare of the USA
    You've been unable to prove that, by showing that every penny Congress has spent or will spend is covered and approved by the Constitution





    LMAO

    Since when do we need the 10 commandments - most of which are bad advice ?
    Since when have they been remotely capable of acting as a basis for law or morals ?

    We don't need an Old Testament version of Sharia law



    And the difference between general welfare and common welfare is ?


    There is no difference


    Congress might vote money for defense, how the DoD uses it, is not part of the budget





    No they are not extra-constitutional
    The Constitution allows for the defense of the USA - foreign and domestic threats.
    There must be a difference between the general defense and the general welfare. As there must also be a difference between the common welfare and the common defense.

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