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25th Amendment - proof it needs to be exercised

justabubba

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here is a thread to post statements and/or actions of the president which should be considered indicative the 25th Amendment needs to be exercised

first up, tRump insisting that the US economy "is very strong":
Our Economy is very strong, despite the horrendous lack of vision by Jay Powell and the Fed, but the Democrats are trying to “will” the Economy to be bad for purposes of the 2020 Election. Very Selfish! Our dollar is so strong that it is sadly hurting other parts of the world...
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followed by tRump next insisting that the Fed rate should be reduced from 2.25% to 1.25% aided by quantitative easing to boost the econmy



Replying to @realDonaldTrump



.....The Fed Rate, over a fairly short period of time, should be reduced by at least 100 basis points, with perhaps some quantitative easing as well. If that happened, our Economy would be even better, and the World Economy would be greatly and quickly enhanced-good for everyone!
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a strong economy does not require such a boost. so, is the economy as strong as he insists? is this indication enough that tRump's mental facilities are so diminished that the 25th Amendment needs to be exercised?

as you find other indications that the 25th Amendment should be considered, please post the rationale here

the text of said amendment follows [emphasis added by bubba]:
Amendment XXV
Section 1.

In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
Section 2.

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
Section 3.

Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.
Section 4.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
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Well for the good of the nation the answer is yes absolutely.

However if trump is removed at this point, pence takes office and therefore the candidacy.

Pence would be a stronger candidate than trump...
 
The Fed screwed up and they both reduced GDP growth by a whole percentage point and increased the national debt. Now they are trying to walk it back without spooking the Wall Street gamblers.

This isn't the result of anything that Trump did...in fact, Trump told them NOT to do it.

But when it turned out that Trump was right and that the Fed knows it, we have people blathering nonsense about the 25th Amendment.

TDS strikes again.
 
Mycroft said:
The Fed screwed up and they both reduced GDP growth by a whole percentage point and increased the national debt. Now they are trying to walk it back without spooking the Wall Street gamblers.

This isn't the result of anything that Trump did...in fact, Trump told them NOT to do it.

But when it turned out that Trump was right and that the Fed knows it, we have people blathering nonsense about the 25th Amendment.

TDS strikes again.
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Is anything Trump's fault?
 
lwf said:
Is anything Trump's fault?
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Yes. De-globalization is Trump's fault. China's crappy economy is Trump's fault. Our growing economy is Trump's fault.

I'm sure there are other things that are Trump's fault.
 
Mycroft said:
Yes. De-globalization is Trump's fault. China's crappy economy is Trump's fault. Our growing economy is Trump's fault.

I'm sure there are other things that are Trump's fault.
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Those sound like things that are to his credit. Is there anything bad about our society or government that is Trump's fault, in your eyes? Name one thing.
 
Helsinki comes to mind as one of his greatest ****s —

Today — Greenland — letting Putin back into the G7 —

Wishing I would have started an outline of each day’s disasters.
 
lwf said:
Those sound like things that are to his credit. Is there anything bad about our society or government that is Trump's fault, in your eyes? Name one thing.
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It depends on your point of view. If you are a globalist, if you are China...if you hate the US...then those things are all Trump's fault.

No. In my eyes, there is nothing bad about our society or government that is Trump's fault.
 
Mycroft said:
It depends on your point of view. If you are a globalist, if you are China...if you hate the US...then those things are all Trump's fault.

No. In my eyes, there is nothing bad about our society or government that is Trump's fault.
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I appreciate your honesty.
 
“I am the chosen one”
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Trump says, looking up at the sky

time for the cabinet to exercise the 25th
 
When the people elected Trump they knew that he was not a politician, and he has showed just that. I think that most of the people in this country were so fed up with the status quo in D.C. that they were just waiting for someone like Trump to come along.

Washington responds with calls for impeachment the invoking of the 25th amendment, why, because Trump is rocking their boat, he is showing just how partisan the politics in D.C. are and they these Congressmen are not out to help the American people but to profit off of them. When one pushes back against the powers to be there is sure to be push back also. It's high time we change the status quo in Washington.
 
US President Donald Trump has called the Danish leader "nasty" after she rebuffed his idea of buying Greenland.
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another reason 25 should be invoked
 
justabubba said:
a strong economy does not require such a boost.
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are you an economist??? A strong economy needs an appropriate money supply. Do you have a clue in a million what the money supply should be??? OF course not so don't tell us that we need more or less money. Do you understand??
 
James972 said:
are you an economist??? A strong economy needs an appropriate money supply. Do you have a clue in a million what the money supply should be??? OF course not so don't tell us that we need more or less money. Do you understand??
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here's a prescient article, which should help those who have little understanding of the role of the Fed within the nation's economy:
February 26, 2018
At the beginning of his presidency, Donald Trump looked set to attack the Federal Reserve. After a year in office, he has turned out better than expected. He has resisted denunciations of the central bank of the sort that he made while on the campaign trail. He has appointed a respectable Federal Reserve Board chairman, Jerome H. Powell, who will make his first major public appearance as chairman when he testifies this week before Congress. He is considering a variety of candidates to serve as the board’s vice chairman, and the names reportedly on his list are credible ones. But good things sometimes come to an end. The coming year will test President Trump’s forbearance.

The worries begin with the extraordinary stimulus that’s beginning to be unleashed on the economy. At a time when gross domestic product is growing much faster than the Fed’s estimate of the sustainable rate, Trump’s tax cut and the recent budget deal are like gasoline on a bonfire. In the fourth quarter of 2017, the economy expanded at an annualized rate of 2.6 percent, almost 50 percent higher than the Fed’s guess of the speed limit. Wall Street forecasters expect the stimulus to drive this year’s growth up to around 3 percent — and that builds in an assumption that the Fed will deliver on its stated intention to raise interest rates steadily.

Faced with the Trump stimulus, the Fed needs to accelerate its rate hikes commensurately. This is especially urgent because the Fed is starting from a position that is itself extremely stimulative. Nine years into the economic recovery, and with unemployment almost as low as it has been in nearly 50 years, the Fed’s short-term interest rate remains negative after accounting for inflation. Financial institutions are being paid to borrow. And although the Fed has begun to shed the bonds it accumulated as part of its post-crisis policy of quantitative easing, the stimulus from that easing is still very much present. Quantitative easing’s effect comes from the stock of bonds, not from the flow of purchases or disposals. Because the stock remains high, quantitative easing continues to exert a sugary effect on the economy. ...
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what i understand, and apparently you do not, is that there is a limit to the degree of stimulus the Fed can have on our nation's economy. the last thing we need is to offer tax breaks to high income earners while the economy is sound, and then placing that $Trillion plus expenditure on the nation's credit card for our children to pay
but then for tRump and his acolytes, knowledge of things economic is unlikely, so that cohort will continue to push for short term benefits without regard to the adverse impact upon subsequent generations

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...4cff96-18c5-11e8-8b08-027a6ccb38eb_story.html
 
Mycroft said:
Yes. De-globalization is Trump's fault. China's crappy economy is Trump's fault. Our growing economy is Trump's fault.

I'm sure there are other things that are Trump's fault.
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Yes. Hatred. Bigotry. Cry baby, whining.
Globalization is not going away. Lead, follow, or sit out. tRUMP chooses to sit out. We were once the leader.
 
lwf said:
Those sound like things that are to his credit. Is there anything bad about our society or government that is Trump's fault, in your eyes? Name one thing.
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Dude, you’re talking to Trumps chief DP propagandist.
 
You are never getting either the VP and a majority of the cabinet to sign that letter and you sure as hell will not get 2/3rd of both houses of Congress, to validate this 'infirmity' which leaves him too incapacitated to fulfill his duties without a medical diagnosis and prognosis which Trump is unwilling to provide There is no way to force a President to undergo either a physical, mental or psychological examination and no way to ditch the doctor patient confidentiality so that any clinician who did examine him, can testify to a congressional committee.

This amendment is virtually useless unless Trump is lying unresponsive in a coma.
 
The King of the Jews is now the chosen one and Republican Senators up for re-election remain silent. Make them pay for this next year. GOP Senators in 2016 had a tremendous upballot coattail effect, helping trump win.

Democrats have great candidates for the Senate running against the following: IA’s Ernst —> Greenfield; KY’s McConnell —> McGrath; ME’s Collins —> Gideon; SC’s Graham —> Harrison; AZ’s McSally —> Kelly; CO’s Gardner —> unknown; TX’s Cornyn —> Hegar; NC’s Tillis who has a strong primary opponent —> unknown Dem; GA’s Perdue —> unknown Dem; there are more.

The Green Papers: United States Off Year Election 2019 takes you to each candidate’s website where you can donate to them.
 
Calling FEMALE foreign and domestic leaders NASTY when they disagree with trump.
 
This is a lame topic. The requirements for removal under the 25th are even stricter than impeachment.
 
dairyair said:
Yes. Hatred. Bigotry. Cry baby, whining.
Globalization is not going away. Lead, follow, or sit out. tRUMP chooses to sit out. We were once the leader.
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Trump is a lead globalist.

When cultists claim he is anti globalization it just proves how gullible they are.

Hell the guy can't get a loan in the united States,and he was working on a Moscow trump tower while running fkr president and flat out lying about it and every other damn thing we have learned about his Russian dealings.

He is the epitome of a globalist!!!
 
*yawm*...

Let me know when something actually worthy of the 25th actually happens. This continued song & dance is getting boring.
 
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