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25th Amendment - proof it needs to be exercised

justabubba said:
Think of this thread as a collection of reasons why Trump’s actions and statements warrant Consideration of the exercise of the 25th amendment
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Then make them serious reasons.

A politician exaggerating the health of an economy is not a serious reason.

A politician accusing a voting bloc of disloyalty is not a serious reason.

Boasting, insulting opponents on Twitter, and mispronouncing a handful of words are not serious reasons.

You know all this. How do I know you know this? Because you're not an idiot. You're a man frustrated with your president to the point that you might consider ousting him by less than democratic means (e.g. the 25th, or impeachment, or Air Force One "forgetting" him on a deserted island somewhere), but you're not an idiot. You know your reasons are specious.

I'm here to tell you that yes, you've done an excellent job of conveying your contempt for Pres. Trump, highlighting many reasons why Americans might want to vote against him come November 2020, but please don't make light of the 25th Amendment. If and when Pres. Trump should become mentally unfit to discharge the duties of his office (truly), the last thing you'll want is half of America wondering if you're just crying 'Wolf!' again.
 
GDViking said:
Well for the good of the nation the answer is yes absolutely.

However if trump is removed at this point, pence takes office and therefore the candidacy.

Pence would be a stronger candidate than trump...
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Pence is a right-winger but at least he's sane and doesn't have dementia. He won't be proclaiming he's chosen by the All Mighty or use dictatorial powers.
 
Mycroft said:
The Fed screwed up and they both reduced GDP growth by a whole percentage point and increased the national debt. Now they are trying to walk it back without spooking the Wall Street gamblers.

This isn't the result of anything that Trump did...in fact, Trump told them NOT to do it.

But when it turned out that Trump was right and that the Fed knows it, we have people blathering nonsense about the 25th Amendment.

TDS strikes again.
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how do you allow yourself to believe such nonsense?

btw, i know the answer to this question, you don;t.
 
dairyair said:
He will fail
We can lead, follow, or sit out. He's choosing to sit out.
But globalization is continuing.

Value any opinion you like, doesn't make you any more knowledgeable than any one else.
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In no way is President Trump sitting it out on trade....what he is doing is making fresh, new deals individually with all our different trading partners which are fairer and much more favorable to the U.S including making it clear to the UK that when they get Brexit done he wants to work a new bilateral deal with them.
 
COTO said:
Then make them serious reasons.

A politician exaggerating the health of an economy is not a serious reason.

A politician accusing a voting bloc of disloyalty is not a serious reason.

Boasting, insulting opponents on Twitter, and mispronouncing a handful of words are not serious reasons.

You know all this. How do I know you know this? Because you're not an idiot. You're a man frustrated with your president to the point that you might consider ousting him by less than democratic means (e.g. the 25th, or impeachment, or Air Force One "forgetting" him on a deserted island somewhere), but you're not an idiot. You know your reasons are specious.

I'm here to tell you that yes, you've done an excellent job of conveying your contempt for Pres. Trump, highlighting many reasons why Americans might want to vote against him come November 2020, but please don't make light of the 25th Amendment. If and when Pres. Trump should become mentally unfit to discharge the duties of his office (truly), the last thing you'll want is half of America wondering if you're just crying 'Wolf!' again.
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Somehow I think I can live with that
In the meantime why don’t you begin a thread explaining why tRump should not be subjected to the 25th amendment
 
justabubba said:
here is a thread to post statements and/or actions of the president which should be considered indicative the 25th Amendment needs to be exercised

first up, tRump insisting that the US economy "is very strong":


followed by tRump next insisting that the Fed rate should be reduced from 2.25% to 1.25% aided by quantitative easing to boost the econmy






a strong economy does not require such a boost. so, is the economy as strong as he insists? is this indication enough that tRump's mental facilities are so diminished that the 25th Amendment needs to be exercised?

as you find other indications that the 25th Amendment should be considered, please post the rationale here

the text of said amendment follows [emphasis added by bubba]:
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The real reason the 25th should be considered is that trump has constant fits of rage and is impulsive. Not great attributes for someone who can launch nukes at a moments notice!

I'm not being facetious. I'm actually worried about that!
 
justabubba said:
Somehow I think I can live with that
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Of course you can.

Why reap the harvest tomorrow when you can sell the farm for lunch money today? :roll:

justabubba said:
why don’t you begin a thread explaining why tRump should not be subjected to the 25th amendment
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For the same reason I don't start threads explaining why we shouldn't walk around with porcupines shoved down our underpants. I try to avoid giving lectures on things no reasonable person cares about.
 
lurchadams said:
trump has constant fits of rage and is impulsive.
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dear, he would not be a billionaire or be president if he had constant fits of rage and was impulsive. See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
 
lurchadams said:
The real reason the 25th should be considered is that trump has constant fits of rage and is impulsive. Not great attributes for someone who can launch nukes at a moments notice! I'm not being facetious. I'm actually worried about that!
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When Trump trolls the media, you call it impulsive. If he pushes back when attacked, it's a fit of rage.

A little perspective would be nice, but I don't hold my breath. Haters must hate and hating Trump is the only game left.
 
James972 said:
dear, he would not be a billionaire or be president if he had constant fits of rage and was impulsive. See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
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How do you know he's a billionaire?
 
lurchadams said:
Not great attributes for someone who can launch nukes at a moments notice!
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actually he cant launch at a moments notice. He can give the order but others are free countermand order and would if based on rage or impulse. See why we say pure ignorance?
 
lurchadams said:
I'm not being facetious. I'm actually worried about that!
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But you're a Seattle liberal, the wackiest kind, so if your're worried we know not to worry at all. If you want to worry, worry about LibNazi Green New Deal Depression that will probably kill us all!
 
James972 said:
actually he cant launch at a moments notice. He can give the order but others are free countermand order and would if based on rage or impulse. See why we say pure ignorance?
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The Real Story of the "Football" That Follows the President Everywhere
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The Football also provides the commander in chief with a simplified menu of nuclear strike options—allowing him to decide, for example, whether to destroy all of America’s enemies in one fell swoop or to limit himself to obliterating only Moscow or Pyongyang or Beijing.
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Sounds like the CiC makes the call of whom to destroy. But keep up with your adorable name-calling!
 
lurchadams said:
How do you know he's a billionaire?
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dear, who cares, point is he's very very rich and he's president and you don't get that with constant fits of rage. See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
 
James972 said:
But you're a Seattle liberal, the wackiest kind, so if your're worried we know not to worry at all. If you want to worry, worry about LibNazi Green New Deal Depression that will probably kill us all!
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Not very friendly :(
 
lurchadams said:
Sounds like the CiC makes the call of whom to destroy.
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he makes the call but others are free to countermand the call. Do you grasp it now???
 
lurchadams said:
Not very friendly :(
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yes Nazi Green New Deal that would probably kill us all is not very friendly yet it is not main stream in Democratic Party.
 
lurchadams said:
Not great attributes for someone who can launch nukes at a moments notice!
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He cancelled strike on Iran because of 125 possible deaths so evidence is he's very restrained about use of force. Do you understand?
 
MTAtech said:
Pence is a right-winger but at least he's sane and doesn't have dementia. He won't be proclaiming he's chosen by the All Mighty or use dictatorial powers.
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yes he would not use dictatorial powers because Republicans want less power in central govt like our Founders did while liberals like Sanders AOC Warren seek Nazi powers to implement LibNazi Green New Deal Depression.
 
James972 said:
yes he would not use dictatorial powers because Republicans want less power in central govt like our Founders did while liberals like Sanders AOC Warren seek Nazi powers to implement LibNazi Green New Deal Depression.
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BS. Conservatives want a strong central government for their agenda. They want to dictate what women can do with their own bodies. They want to decide that gays can’t marry. They want the central government to overrule states’ union protections. They want the central government to regulate birth control, etc. They want the central government to overturn state environmental protection.
 
Lucky 1 said:
In no way is President Trump sitting it out on trade....what he is doing is making fresh, new deals individually with all our different trading partners which are fairer and much more favorable to the U.S including making it clear to the UK that when they get Brexit done he wants to work a new bilateral deal with them.
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What negotiating is taking place?

Where is this NAFTA II that supposedly was made?
 
dairyair said:
What negotiating is taking place?

Where is this NAFTA II that supposedly was made?
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NAFTA II has been accepted by both Canada and Mexico and is ready to go and waiting for our "DO NOTHING" congress to ratify it......
 
Lucky 1 said:
NAFTA II has been accepted by both Canada and Mexico and is ready to go and waiting for our "DO NOTHING" congress to ratify it......
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So in other words, it is a nothingburger at this point.
And I never hear tRUMP push congress to vote on it. Even when R's still had both houses. All talk, no action.
 
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