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    Re: Understanding_ The Constitution is to serve the promotion of the values set forth in The Preambl

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Lunaphiles View Post
    The problem though, is that the three-part model we know and trust is inadequate for the tremendously more diverse the society has actually advanced to. The system does not properly represent the diverse ideological perspectives of all of the relevant organizations of people.
    I am pretty confident it does. Who is it missing?

    Besides, it will never be fair until the diversity of people can claim that they took part in the founding, and not always be reverent to the system that was established exclusively by pig racist homophobic misoginist slave-owning cracker cave dwelling white men.
    The system was established by Englishmen. I am not sure at what point all these other Irish, Polish, Italian, German, eastern European, and all sorts of other riff raff immigrants who came later started thinking they had anything to do with it just because their skin tone was generally the same.

    Those of true English ancestry now in the US are a very small minority. The biggest background in the US is actually those of German background. Listen to what Benjamin Franklin had to say about them. He sounds like Donald Trump talking about Mexicans:

    "Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion...

    Those who come hither are generally of the most ignorant Stupid Sort of their own Nation…and as few of the English understand the German Language, and so cannot address them either from the Press or Pulpit, ’tis almost impossible to remove any prejudices they once entertain…Not being used to Liberty, they know not how to make a modest use of it…I remember when they modestly declined intermeddling in our Elections, but now they come in droves, and carry all before them, except in one or two Counties...In short unless the stream of their importation could be turned from this to other colonies, as you very judiciously propose, they will soon so out number us, that all the advantages we have will not in My Opinion be able to preserve our language, and even our Government will become precarious."
    -Benjamin Franklin, speaking of the waves of new German immigrants pouring into Pennsylvania in the 18th century
    It's funny these Germans now think they are "one of us" with those English who originally created this nation, and are using skin tone as some kind of proxy. Where did they get the idea that they need to be reverent toward or have any sense of ownership of this system made by somebody else? LOL.

    It seems to me if they can do it, anybody can.
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    Re: Understanding_ The Constitution is to serve the promotion of the values set forth in The Preambl

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Lunaphiles View Post
    You agree that we need to have a constitutional convention, then - don't you???

    Those are some good examples of flaws that can only be corrected by a more sophisticated charter system - state and federal constitutions, and municipal charters.
    I think a convention would be too dangerous.

    That is, I think the current version is suitable, even while not perfect. I think the amendment process is sufficient to 'tune' the document.

    The problems we have are from elected officials not obeying the spirit and letter of the document. The document is not at fault, the greedy leaders we elect, and mankind in general, have not governed in accordance with the spirit and letter of the document.

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