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Understanding_ The Constitution is to serve the promotion of the values set forth in The Preamble

Most Americans are not even aware of the Constitution itself and what it means. That they would know and understand the Preamble is simply not going to happen.
 
Tangmo said:
So many civics teachers are bad enough slanting their teaching toward their right wing views. Many history teachers in the public schools can be just as bad, coloring the curriculum with their brown shirt views.

Yet looking back on it and only some years after our 6th grade teacher -- an old maid -- many of us recognized she was a Bircher which was of course way back when. Today that same teacher would be a Putin-Trump Rower.

After all this Putin-Trump And Rowers madness has passed we will need a new national reconstruction from coast to coast and border to border. A second national reconstruction under the Constitution of course, or at least what's left of it and that we can revise and reconstruct to meet the challenges going forward from the enemies of the USA both foreign and domestic.


11 heinous lies conservatives are teaching America's schoolchildren

The right has a new plan to capture the country's youth vote: Take over public school curriculums

If recent elections have taught us anything, it’s that young Americans have taken a decided turn to the left. Young voters delivered Obama the election: the under-44 set voted Obama and the over-45 set broke for Romney. The youngest voters, age 18-29, gave Obama a whopping 60 percent of their vote.

Now Republicans have a plan to try to recapture the youngest voters out there: Take over the curriculum in public schools, replace education with a bunch of conservative propaganda, and reap the benefits of having a new generation that can’t tell reality from right-wing fantasy.

How well this plan will work is debatable, but in the meantime, these shenanigans present the very real possibility that public school students will graduate without a proper education. To make it worse, many of these attempts to rewrite school curriculum are happening in Texas, which can set the textbook standards for the entire country by simply wielding its power as one of the biggest school textbook markets there is.

With that in mind, here’s a list of 11 lies your kid may be in danger of learning in school.

11 heinous lies conservatives are teaching America's schoolchildren | Salon.com


This is an excellent illustration that contradicts directly the Putin-Trump And Rowers campaign that "truth is not true."
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Don't forget "Hitler was a lefty liberal socialist" and "America is not a democracy".
 
Jason Warfield said:
I think that it would be more accurate to say that many social programs were NOT supported by the centralized government while we were under the Articles of Confederation and that the individual states picked those programs up on their own.
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Apparently you're not aware of the fact that there are a significant number of people here on this forum who think the Articles of Confederation is "the only REAL legitimate version of a Constitution".
Either that or they seem to think that everything after the Tenth Amendment is illegitimate.

Add to that the fact that, in any case...there is an overriding sentiment among this storied group that the Constitution is a ship in a glass bottle.
 
RealityNow said:
The Preamble spoke the plan of and for simple truths of what this nation is about and what is it to do in service as a nation and unto and for the people, by the voice of the people....!!! One'self might want to check themselves and review themselves that they may discover the congruent ideals that make and embrace a congregant manner in character and disposition... to be a promoter of what constitutes and promotes civility.

America MUST become a mutually supporting society of Multicultural Heritage and Multicultural Make Up.... if America is committed to having a better future as being "AMERICA"... which honors its own Declaration of Independence, and Supports its own "Preamble to The Constitution" and supports the Government Designed by the Principles of The Constitution.

We need a reinvestment in "Civics Education" wholly.... !!!! among All American Citizens
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We have this roses and sunshine conversation all the time about the intention of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution (Preamble) and Bill of Rights, as well as the views of those that wrote it during the time period all of this was written.

Harsh truth be told, today's concept of Multiculturalism did not have the same meaning back then. At all, and "citizens" did not apply to everyone either.

During the time of all these documents were being written in the US, this nation was already a slave owning society and actively engaged in a multiple way fight for land. Willing to take it from both Native Americans on one side anywhere they were found, and fight any competition on the other side doing the very same thing the the US was doing. It just happened to be elsewhere from North America down to South America and everywhere in between.

Everything that you read from the period was aimed at land owning white men, all the "principles of the Constitution" did not really apply to everyone. We did not have the 15th Amendment until 1870 allowing for non-white men being allowed to vote, and it took a Voting Rights Act of 1965 to get around States trying to undermine it. Women did not get to vote until 1920, and that was problematic for years after as well.

From this nation's founding to current it has taken liberalism to get us to this point, and we still have a whole lot more work to do.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Don't forget "Hitler was a lefty liberal socialist" and "America is not a democracy".
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We have one guy around here who apparently has a photo of Pinochet stuck to his forehead. He's anyway got a photo of Pinochet no one can miss.





Checkerboard Strangler said:
Apparently you're not aware of the fact that there are a significant number of people here on this forum who think the Articles of Confederation is "the only REAL legitimate version of a Constitution".
Either that or they seem to think that everything after the Tenth Amendment is illegitimate.

Add to that the fact that, in any case...there is an overriding sentiment among this storied group that the Constitution is a ship in a glass bottle.
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The constitution of the Confederacy established a one party state. We noted long ago the Fanboys of the CSA are one and the same the Putin-Trump Rowers of the contemporary rebellion against the Constitution of the United States. These guys are blatant about it and shameless.

We got 'em by the short hairs however cause they have it internalized to hate the words fascist, nazi and the like. So they raise all holy hell when we use 'em and try instead to make fascism and nazism a librul and left wing thingy. They're fooling no one on this however. They only expose themselves as knowing fascism is evil so they have to try to hide it in themselves. Try to throw it back like it wuz a stone.
 
OrphanSlug said:
We have this roses and sunshine conversation all the time about the intention of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution (Preamble) and Bill of Rights, as well as the views of those that wrote it during the time period all of this was written.

Harsh truth be told, today's concept of Multiculturalism did not have the same meaning back then. At all, and "citizens" did not apply to everyone either.

During the time of all these documents were being written in the US, this nation was already a slave owning society and actively engaged in a multiple way fight for land. Willing to take it from both Native Americans on one side anywhere they were found, and fight any competition on the other side doing the very same thing the the US was doing. It just happened to be elsewhere from North America down to South America and everywhere in between.

Everything that you read from the period was aimed at land owning white men, all the "principles of the Constitution" did not really apply to everyone. We did not have the 15th Amendment until 1870 allowing for non-white men being allowed to vote, and it took a Voting Rights Act of 1965 to get around States trying to undermine it. Women did not get to vote until 1920, and that was problematic for years after as well.

From this nation's founding to current it has taken liberalism to get us to this point, and we still have a whole lot more work to do.
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"From this nation's founding to current it has taken liberalism to get us to this point, and we still have a whole lot more work to do." !!!!!
(!( "YES" )!)

It will continue to take "Liberalism" to bring the principles and values to be applicable to and for ALL PEOPLE, as American Citizens, and for America as a Nation, to promote the Respect and Integrity to EMBRACE and Adhere to the principles of "Diplomacy" with the World of Nations.... and that is to be done by "Cooperative Mutual Benefit Agreements", and NOT, by the acts and promotions of "Imperialistic Agenda, of Wealthy White Male Dominance"....

Liberalism is a product of , "compassion's Understanding", " willingness to embrace education", and the "integrity to meet and face truths", and "not be a puppet driven by bias and bigotry"... because "Liberalism" expands the knowledge and promotes the understanding to respect diversity, in every respect !!! which includes understanding the diversity of gender, race, and cultural groomed ideologies, as well as religious tolerance, and generalized principles of civility. Democracy is based in the principles of "Liberalism".... NOT... authoritarian or dictatorial agenda. The system of a Republic Form of Representative Governance, was designed because of the principle of Liberalism of Ideals... that individuals could have their thoughts and ideals and stand and support them, but RESPECT the Majority Rule, when the Majority Rule's Main Goal is the RESPECT OF THE PEOPLE, TO BE OF SERVICE TO, AND FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE... in the choices it makes and the values it promotes and uphold.

There is so much that people must come to learn... and it must first work itself from under the Hijacking that was done by the Promotions of "White Nationalism of Wealthy White Male Dominance Agenda".... that agenda of "White Nationalism of Wealthy White Male Dominance Agenda" has damaged the premise and principles of what the Declaration of Independence proclaimed for and of, in the establishment of what is America, for Centuries!!!!! This goes from the malice and vile against the Native Americans, through the Savagery of Slavery and the Inhumanity of Segregation, to the current promotions of Conservative (Confederacy Ideals) of Current Day Republicans.

It's time we awaken and become " A Unified America, in respects for the Citizens of America... and support the principles of being the UNITED STATES, and respect and honor the Federal System, that makes us the "United" States as America.


(Those who continually run from these truths, will continue to try and hide and cover themselves with and within lies; as if they were snakes hiding in the fallen leaves, or lurking in tall grass and hiding under bushes...)
 
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Bullseye said:
Most progressives don't think at all. :cool:
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The Progressive Era was a period of widespread social activism and political reform across the United States that spanned the 1890s to the 1920s.[1] The main objectives of the Progressive movement were eliminating problems caused by industrialization, urbanization, immigration, and political corruption. The movement primarily targeted political machines and their bosses. By taking down these corrupt representatives in office, a further means of direct democracy would be established. They also sought regulation of monopolies (trust busting) and corporations through antitrust laws, which were seen as a way to promote equal competition for the advantage of legitimate competitors.
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People should really research and understand "words".... and look at the history of the "words" they use...

Society Advance by progressive works, not by regressive stands, nor by seeking to recreate the past. - it is refined in how it function, when the intellect of society is wide spread, to understand how to make better the society and the nation we live.

An under-educated society and large segments of uneducated society... will always invoke hardships, contention and disruptions, as they fight against themselves by lack of knowledge and failure to invest in gaining forward thinking understanding.

American Style Democracy with Elected Representative Government Officials... can only achieve its highest function, when the people are of the "intellect, to know how to responsibly vote" and to learn to make their choices built upon facts and factors that face the truths !!!
Rather than.. being led and driven by the "drama spin of emotions, the backwardness driven by bias, and the attack posture of aggression based in bigotry. When race becomes an overbearing influences in the mix of such drama... it becomes a conglomerations of denigrating factors, that wreaks havoc on the nation, its people, its social and civic systems.... and thus promotes bigoted and bias driven incivility.
 
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People should really research and understand "words".... and look at the history of the words they use...
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How many of the progressives from the 1890's to the 1920's are currently involved in TODAY'S progressive movement?
 
Bullseye said:
How many of the progressives from the 1890's to the 1920's are currently involved in TODAY'S progressive movement?
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I don't think there are many alive today, who were of the age to push or promote any kind of reforms, from the 1920's... They'd be far more than 99 yrs of age.

Thus so... Please, explain what your intentions are, for your your comment?

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Are You Progressive? (pay close attention to the flips and intermingling's of words within this piece)

People should be ever more careful today.. when they inflate themselves with "using words as " emotional triggers", without understanding or considering the application and the re-application of words as times change....
 
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I don't think there are many alive today, who were of the age to push or promote any kind of reforms, from the 1920's... They'd be far more than 99 yrs of age.

Thus so... Please, explain what your intentions are, for your your comment?

__________________________

Are You Progressive? (pay close attention to the flips and intermingling's of words within this piece)

People should be ever more careful today.. when they inflate themselves with "using words as " emotional triggers", without understanding or considering the application and the re-application of words as times change....
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My intentions? Just an observation that progressives aren't progressing - they continue to hype ideas and solutions that have been widely disproved and seem to embrace the "government knows best" mindset.
 
Bullseye said:
My intentions? Just an observation that progressives aren't progressing - they continue to hype ideas and solutions that have been widely disproved and seem to embrace the "government knows best" mindset.
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They are not saying "the government knows best" - they are saying it is "us", who need to promote the process of the government and its systems to be better to do and serve the things that our nations Preamble has outlined as values of and for the people and the nations.

It is always "us"... "We The People", that must make things better... We are the Government!!! and the Government is us !!!..... we simply elect representatives to represent us... Its again, "us" ... who must be more discerning, but first more knowledgeable of those whom we elect, but even before that, we must be more knowledgeable about the policies and values that serve the best interest of the people, and society, as well as the nation.

We must learn that is it "us"... who is the greatest National Security entities of this nations.... and it is "us"... who must protect, "us", to ensure that our government services "us" with the resources we entrust to and within our systems of governance.

We have much to learn... and then we must equally so, 're-learn what is the premise and principles of capitalism"... when we do learn it, we will "collective stand against " greed and corruptions....to restore and preserve the integrity of what capitalism was designed to be and do...

We have much work to do....and sadly... many have no idea of unity of "us" that is necessary within these levels of work. Regardless of what people think... its time to realize... there is only one kind of "American" and that is an "Individuals who is an American"... it has nothing to do with race, ethnicity, or cultural habit...
One can go from one side of the nation to the next and encounter more cultural habits than they can fathom, even in some cases within the same block of a city, and in many cases within the same make up of a family and the extended members that make up that family.... so... the delusion that any one cultural perspective can be forced upon all... is a fiction, that has for too long been a delusion that is pushed by those who aspire to Conservative (Confederate Idealism) within the Republican Make up... have been trying to dictate to society... who it should be as to.... when many who try such... can't even maintain stability and cohesion within their own household of parents and offspring's, and certainly not within the expanse of cousins and associates. Thus so... people have to respect the principle that is vital to democracy, and that's the elements of compassion, which strengthen the tolerance that is necessary within the human dynamics of social reality, civic society, and the civility of community.
 
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They are not saying "the government knows best" - they are saying it is "us", who need to promote the process of the government and its systems to be better to do and serve the things that our nations Preamble has outlined as values of and for the people and the nations.

It is always "us"... "We The People", that must make things better... We are the Government!!! and the Government is us !!!..... we simply elect representatives to represent us... Its again, "us" ... who must be more discerning, but first more knowledgeable of those whom we elect, but even before that, we must be more knowledgeable about the policies and values that serve the best interest of the people, and society, as well as the nation.

We must learn that is it "us"... who is the greatest National Security entities of this nations.... and it is "us"... who must protect, "us", to ensure that our government services "us" with the resources we entrust to and within our systems of governance.

We have much to learn... and then we must equally so, 're-learn what is the premise and principles of capitalism"... when we do learn it, we will "collective stand against " greed and corruptions....to restore and preserve the integrity of what capitalism was designed to be and do...

We have much work to do....and sadly... many have no idea of unity of "us" that is necessary within these levels of work. Regardless of what people think... its time to realize... there is only one kind of "American" and that is an "Individuals who is an American"... it has nothing to do with race, ethnicity, or cultural habit...
One can go from one side of the nation to the next and encounter more cultural habits than they can fathom, even in some cases within the same block of a city, and in many cases within the same make up of a family and the extended members that make up that family.... so... the delusion that any one cultural perspective can be forced upon all... is a fiction, that has for too long been a delusion that is pushed by those who aspire to Conservative (Confederate Idealism) within the Republican Make up... have been trying to dictate to society... who it should be as to.... when many who try such... can't even maintain stability and cohesion within their own household of parents and offspring's, and certainly not within the expanse of cousins and associates. Thus so... people have to respect the principle that is vital to democracy, and that's the elements of compassion, which strengthen the tolerance that is necessary within the human dynamics of social reality, civic society, and the civility of community.
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What you seem to be missing is that the "us" is really just some folks we vote for AND the "experts" and bureaucrats they choose to empower - much as we have now.
 
Bullseye said:
What you seem to be missing is that the "us" is really just some folks we vote for AND the "experts" and bureaucrats they choose to empower - much as we have now.
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that may be true, but you missed the part which said:
It is always "us"... "We The People", that must make things better... We are the Government!!! and the Government is us !!!..... we simply elect representatives to represent us... Its again, "us" ... who must be more discerning, but first more knowledgeable of those whom we elect, but even before that, we must be more knowledgeable about the policies and values that serve the best interest of the people, and society, as well as the nation.

We must learn that is it "us"... who is the greatest National Security entities of this nations.... and it is "us"... who must protect, "us", to ensure that our government services "us" with the resources we entrust to and within our systems of governance.
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Example... we ("us") who allowed the (elected) Senate "to Confirm" people like "Ben Carson" via confirmation, and Betsy Devos, via confirmation.... These are certainly (2) two people whom NEVER should have been "confirmed and allowed" anyplace near a political office of a major department of our governance systems.

It is "us" who must stand firm behind "Oversight Committees"... and demand they engage the acts necessary to make Oversight function! including the process to remove and demand the resignation of those who do not act in the best service of the nation. That includes giving contracts to cronies, hiring inept people, and contracting out services and programming based on their own (financial) self interest. When we know or discover the malice, the vile, and the self interest above the interest of the people and the nation, to work together based on the "values" best for society and the values best for protecting our systems and institutions, to 'STAND TOGETHER" ... far and beyond the "game of party tribalism"... and get these people out!!! Not with a slap on the wrist, but actual and real, "Jail Time", and none of these "3 penny fines", but fines that strip away what they have fleeced from the system to the level of impact declarative financial penalty.

See we play the worship the suit and title and let them off the hook.... China for example takes serious those in top positions who damage their socoiety, be it in governance or business... and they will send them straight to the "firing squad".

List of "Nations" who have imprisoned former leaders. America is nowhere on the List!!!!!

List of Criminals who have been within Our Federal Political System

Indicated people during Trump in only 2 yrs.

These people " in high positions, with high level influence within our Government System... get off with sentences listed in "month's"... but the working poor or dire poor soul, who is caught in some non violent crimes in general society, get sentences, listed in "years"... !!!
 
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RealityNow said:
that may be true, but you missed the part which said:
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No I didn't miss that, but it seems like empty rhetoric. Counting on large portions of the population becoming "more discerning" and more "knowledgeable" is a pie in the sky dream. How is that knowledge going to be delivered and discernment taught?

RealityNow said:
Example... we ("us") who allowed the (elected) Senate "to Confirm" people like "Ben Carson" via confirmation, and Betsy Devos, via confirmation.... These are certainly (2) two people whom NEVER should have been "confirmed and allowed" anyplace near a political office of a major department of our governance systems.
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Well, I disagree, but it raises a point - who decided or dictates what the criteria are that we "us", are supposed to apply?
RealityKnow said:
It is "us" who must stand firm behind "Oversight Committees"... and demand they engage the acts necessary to make Oversight function! including the process to remove and demand the resignation of those who do not act in the best service of the nation. That includes giving contracts to cronies, hiring inept people, and contracting out services and programming based on their own (financial) self interest. When we know or discover the malice, the vile, and the self interest above the interest of the people and the nation, to work together based on the "values" best for society and the values best for protecting our systems and institutions, to 'STAND TOGETHER" ... far and beyond the "game of party tribalism"... and get these people out!!! Not with a slap on the wrist, but actual and real, "Jail Time", and none of these "3 penny fines", but fines that strip away what they have fleeced from the system to the level of impact declarative financial penalty.

See we play the worship the suit and title and let them off the hook.... China for example takes serious those in top positions who damage their socoiety, be it in governance or business... and they will send them straight to the "firing squad".

List of "Nations" who have imprisoned former leaders. America is nowhere on the List!!!!!

List of Criminals who have been within Our Federal Political System

Indicated people during Trump in only 2 yrs.

These people " in high positions, with high level influence within our Government System... get off with sentences listed in "month's"... but the working poor or dire poor soul, who is caught in some non violent crimes in general society, get sentences, listed in "years"... !!!
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LOL, I still don't see the distinction between our current situation and what you're talking about.
 
Bullseye said:
No I didn't miss that, but it seems like empty rhetoric. Counting on large portions of the population becoming "more discerning" and more "knowledgeable" is a pie in the sky dream. How is that knowledge going to be delivered and discernment taught?

Well, I disagree, but it raises a point - who decided or dictates what the criteria are that we "us", are supposed to apply?
LOL, I still don't see the distinction between our current situation and what you're talking about.
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I'm talking about "Us" and our duty as citizens, persons and individuals.... It is every persons individualized responsibility to pursue knowledge, to invest themselves in learning and to develop understanding that they can become discerning. The "Us", does not just deal with those who are walking and breathing today, but those of "Us" that are to come and those of "Us' who are young, who will be and become the forces of the future. What we do is not to be self centered just for this day and time, but to establsh and re-establish principles to be upheld, valued and promoted ..... "It's a Massive Work" and it must be undertaken... lest we just give up and give in.

Think!!!! for 100's of years people were enslaved, but what they did not do, is they did not give up and they still have not given up!!! the work is ongoing... and it will continue to take much work, to unwind, and unwrap all the malice that was woven and layered over centuries of a system of slavery followed by a 100 yrs of segregation, and the past 50+ plus years of convolution to disregard those who are descendents of those who were enslaved.

Now, along side of that, is the "centuries of generationally poor whites"... who have been systematically economically disenfranchised, and under and uneducated and driven by the fictions of bias and bigotry about skin color delusions... and yet, they still have increasing numbers engulfed in the same decrepit poor conditions as their ancestry within the segments of "the poor"....

At what point ... is the question, will people awaken?

MLK said, more than 50+ yrs ago... Speech at Selma !!! many should read it with open minds to understand, to face the truth and learn...

LBJ said a profound statement, more than 50+ yrs ago... many should read it with open minds to understand, to face the truth and learn...

It's always "Us" who make up the masses that must re-learn much, and summon the will to face the truths.....!!! Then we become capable to move along the pathway to reclaim the premise and principles of The Declaration of Independence, and Promote and Uphold the Values of the Preamble, and make solid the processes established in The Constitution, be for ALL AMERICANS.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the hardest work people in this day and age will encounter, and they should encounter and embrace it within the age of information, where it is readily available knowledge that was Never in the history of American Society, so readily accessible and available.

People have been groomed to think such thinks are unthinkable to learn and rectify....

We should learn for what has demonstrated the truth, of the works it takes to change things. consider the fact, If black people had such little faith, and gave up with some fiction that it was pie in the sky to have freedom, then slavery would still be in the original format it was first created. If the white people who also fought against slavery, had been of such little faith and weak to the point they could not find the fortitude to persist, then they too would have given up on helping eradicate slavery....

Why now... are we so "weak" in mind and timid and ready to give up in spirit... for the truths that we know must be uncovered and brought to the full light, the truth that will bring us what the principles of American Democracy, established by the Declaration of Independence, and provisions and values set forth in The Preamble, and a system to meet and make it function as was laid out in The Constitution.
 
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I'm talking about "Us" and our duty as citizens, persons and individuals.... It is every persons individualized responsibility to pursue knowledge, to invest themselves in learning and to develop understanding that they can become discerning. The "Us", does not just deal with those who are walking and breathing today, but those of "Us" that are to come and those of "Us' who are young, who will be and become the forces of the future. What we do is not to be self centered just for this day and time, but to establsh and re-establish principles to be upheld, valued and promoted ..... "It's a Massive Work" and it must be undertaken... lest we just give up and give in.

Think!!!! for 100's of years people were enslaved, but what they did not do, is they did not give up and they still have not given up!!! the work is ongoing... and it will continue to take much work, to unwind, and unwrap all the malice that was woven and layered over centuries of a system of slavery followed by a 100 yrs of segregation, and the past 50+ plus years of convolution to disregard those who are descendents of those who were enslaved.

Now, along side of that, is the "centuries of generationally poor whites"... who have been systematically economically disenfranchised, and under and uneducated and driven by the fictions of bias and bigotry about skin color delusions... and yet, they still have increasing numbers engulfed in the same decrepit poor conditions as their ancestry within the segments of "the poor"....

At what point ... is the question, will people awaken?

MLK said, more than 50+ yrs ago... Speech at Selma !!! many should read it with open minds to understand, to face the truth and learn...

LBJ said a profound statement, more than 50+ yrs ago... many should read it with open minds to understand, to face the truth and learn...

It's always "Us" who make up the masses that must relearn much, and summon the will to face the truths.....!!! Then we become capable to move along the pathway to reclaim the premise and principles of The Declaration of Independence, and Promote and Uphold the Values of the Preamble, and make solid the processes established in The Constitution, be for ALL AMERICANS.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the hardest work people in this day and age will encounter, and they should encounter and embrace it within the age of information, where it is readily available knowled that was Never in the history of American Society, so readily accessible and available.
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No, you're talking about people that believe like you; that's your definition of "knowledgeable" and "discerning". You're just being partisan in a very verbose way.
 
Bullseye said:
No, you're talking about people that believe like you; that's your definition of "knowledgeable" and "discerning". You're just being partisan in a very verbose way.
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Call it what you want... it still takes "ALL People" who claim and call themselves Americans" to find the commonest of value for what is America and what Sustains America, to work to improve the conditions and standards of what is America.

We have much work to do....and sadly... many have no idea of unity of "us" that is necessary within these levels of work. Regardless of what people think... its time to realize... there is only one kind of "American" and that is an "Individuals who is an American"... it has nothing to do with race, ethnicity, or cultural habit...
One can go from one side of the nation to the next and encounter more cultural habits than they can fathom, even in some cases within the same block of a city, and in many cases within the same make up of a family and the extended members that make up that family.... so... the delusion that any one cultural perspective can be forced upon all... is a fiction, that has for too long been a delusion that is pushed by those who aspire to Conservative (Confederate Idealism) within the Republican Make up... have been trying to dictate to society... who it should be as to.... when many who try such... can't even maintain stability and cohesion within their own household of parents and offspring's, and certainly not within the expanse of cousins and associates. Thus so... people have to respect the principle that is vital to democracy, and that's the elements of compassion, which strengthen the tolerance that is necessary within the human dynamics of social reality, civic society, and the civility of community.
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The Civil War should have ended more than 150 yrs ago....
 
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RealityNow said:
Call it what you want... it still takes "ALL People" who claim and call themselves Americans" to find the commonest of value for what is America and what Sustains America, to work to improve the conditions and standards of what is America.



The Civil War should have ended more than 150 yrs ago....
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Methinks you are a hopeless romantic. That is a good thing, but it also suggests you might not be willing or able to face the truth, to face reality.

We The People today are really We The Brainwashed, or We The Oblivious. Sad but true. In the last 100 years, long after 1787, manipulation of the public perception has been raised to an art form. Goebbels would be jealous of today's government propagandists.

And in the meantime, special interests absolutely control the government, whether by hook or by crook.
 
RealityNow said:
Why not take the time and inform us.
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Prove to you and others your bigotry is wrong? Why not denounce bigotry for face value of bigotry? Or is bigotry against those 'bad' elements OK?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Methinks you are a hopeless romantic. That is a good thing, but it also suggests you might not be willing or able to face the truth, to face reality.

We The People today are really We The Brainwashed, or We The Oblivious. Sad but true. In the last 100 years, long after 1787, manipulation of the public perception has been raised to an art form. Goebbels would be jealous of today's government propagandists.

And in the meantime, special interests absolutely control the government, whether by hook or by crook.
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We are living today like the example of a "bad car commercial".... one pushing fictions of discounts and rebates to an already over-inflated price sticker, while over production saturates the market, and that is only compounded in aspect and paralleled in another.. compounded by making claims that cannot be met by the non durability of the products, and paralleled, by the insidiousness of showing "excessive speeding and reckless driving as a promotion campaign, that is sure to bring a traffic fine or injury and maybe even death to those who buy into the dramatizations.

Media has damaged the thinking processes and in some voided out the development of the ability to think... we have "malice and murder" training games played out in the households of American, by boys, men, girls and women... in the video game madness... while filling up the minds with fictions based on computer generated score tabulations.... :violin :stars:

Some people may not awaken out of the trance, until they can't afford the games and the cords is cut on the over commercialization of "everything".... and that is a long time off, because the biggest and most profitable business in America is "Advertising".... its made Google, and FaceBook crazily wealthy... and any app that is designed to sell more advertising, is today being sold for "$billions", based on the projected advertising revenue it can potentially earn.

So.... to go even deeper into the madness.... Let's Talk about the Greed within Capitalism that escalates and spreads the madness.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
Methinks you are a hopeless romantic. That is a good thing, but it also suggests you might not be willing or able to face the truth, to face reality.

We The People today are really We The Brainwashed, or We The Oblivious. Sad but true. In the last 100 years, long after 1787, manipulation of the public perception has been raised to an art form. Goebbels would be jealous of today's government propagandists.

And in the meantime, special interests absolutely control the government, whether by hook or by crook.
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It controls it by Hook AND crook.... its still our job to "right the ship" or sail off the waterfall... into the abyss... We may not like the choices, and we may become "cynical" to the point we consider everything pointless and hopeless...

Truth remains truth, no matter how faint the heart of man becomes.... Nothing and No One said that the works of Truth would be easy... and the fiction of people growing up with Fairy Tale wrapped in Rhymes... with a melody played for dramatics.... has many ....weakened and fight against anything that requires "thinking" and "actual work" to engage the harvest of thinking of means, ways and methods to improve society.

The average person, can't even stay focused enough to write three lines of text... and others can't hold a though pattern, more than 1.5 seconds...and still that brings us to the element of "critical thinking"...... that's when people fall asleep with their eyes open !!!

I know its real, because when I tackle problems and challenges in my work, and try and convey the elements, principles, factors to be dealt with and the details to facilitate comprehension of perspective and perspective functionality.... I watch people's minds go to sleep and soon,their eyes are ready to droop... they snap up straight and immediate want to dis-engage as if they can handle their lusting for and of brevity.... They rush off and make uninformed decisions, and like clock work, they are back later trying to get and address the details they previously disregarded... Some even have the audacity in their "cover their ass" mentality... to say... "why did' t you emphasis that more.... :rofl never realizing what they are say, is they ignore the perspective and categorical variables... and did not associate the interactive correlation of the factors, to understand the necessity of how the details are integral to the operations and the performance standards.


Didn't we see an example of this with Boeing.. who "willfully ignored and chose to disregard the engineers, their identification of problem areas and then discounted, disregarded to the point to neglect, and ultimately to disregard their recommendations.


YEP.... we have that same mentality in our general social sphere, our work sphere and within our governments systems and the spheres they interact.... what we get is groomed in "systemic failure"... high cost damages and ultimately damaged and even lost lives...
While the Chief's walk away "Millionaires Multiple Times Over".... and hailed as a guru simply because "stock holder's made a profit based on the spin before the crash cycle.

I see reality just fine... I happen not to make a choice to buy into the self defeatism, nor become jaded and submit to passive acceptance of being overtaken by the vile and madness, the insanity and the sickness... driven by "the lust for self measure" in a cycle based on the activities of greed as need to fit and fill and Illusions.

When its done as to the life of the Individual, not one person, nor will they ever... take from this life not one single material thing, not even a grain of sand will they take from the world.
 
RealityNow said:
Call it what you want... it still takes "ALL People" who claim and call themselves Americans" to find the commonest of value for what is America and what Sustains America, to work to improve the conditions and standards of what is America.
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Which, again, conforms to YOUR ideas about who should be appointed or elected, and what THEY should do once in office. Your "[be discerning and knowledgeable and do it MY WAY" does match what you claim to be espousing.


RealityNow said:
The Civil War should have ended more than 150 yrs ago....
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Not sure what you point is here.
 
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