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    Re: First Amendment; What's yor take on it?

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    Why should I care?
    I care. I do not want hate speech laws to interfere with a biological explanation of human abilities and behavior.

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    Re: First Amendment; What's yor take on it?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmartCat View Post
    I care. I do not want hate speech laws to interfere with a biological explanation of human abilities and behavior.
    Good for you. I am mildly familiar with the book; have never read it. I know some people don't like some of what's said in it, and it doesn't look much like my cup of tea either, but I see no reason why it should be banned or anyone should get in a time machine and go back twenty five years to revoke the researchers' funding. It doesn't fall under the definitions of hate speech I posted, so I'm not particularly interested.

    Again freedom to speak is not freedom from consequences. The consequences of that book being published is some critics disagreed with the researchers' conclusions and potential motives. Big deal.
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    Re: First Amendment; What's yor take on it?

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    I care. I do not want hate speech laws to interfere with a biological explanation of human abilities and behavior.
    There is no such thing as "hate speech," and any law attempting to prohibit "hate speech" is in violation of the First Amendment. Which is why there are no law prohibiting this fictitious "hate speech."

    Only the insane left use terms like "hate speech" and they always apply it everyone who disagrees with them. Disagree with a delusional leftist and suddenly you become a "racist, misogynist, homophobic, Islamophobic, xenophobe" and everything you say is "hate speech." That is because leftists have not mentally matured beyond the age of puberty.

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    Re: First Amendment; What's yor take on it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    There is no such thing as "hate speech," and any law attempting to prohibit "hate speech" is in violation of the First Amendment. Which is why there are no law prohibiting this fictitious "hate speech."

    Only the insane left use terms like "hate speech" and they always apply it everyone who disagrees with them. Disagree with a delusional leftist and suddenly you become a "racist, misogynist, homophobic, Islamophobic, xenophobe" and everything you say is "hate speech." That is because leftists have not mentally matured beyond the age of puberty.
    Actually it exists in many countries as both a concept and a regulated or prohibited activity. Because once it becomes more than just some crazy guy on a corner - a movement or a party or a policy - then it infringes upon human rights.
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    Re: First Amendment; What's yor take on it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    There is no such thing as "hate speech," and any law attempting to prohibit "hate speech" is in violation of the First Amendment. Which is why there are no law prohibiting this fictitious "hate speech."

    Only the insane left use terms like "hate speech" and they always apply it everyone who disagrees with them. Disagree with a delusional leftist and suddenly you become a "racist, misogynist, homophobic, Islamophobic, xenophobe" and everything you say is "hate speech." That is because leftists have not mentally matured beyond the age of puberty.
    Whenever I see something like this, I feel that what the person is trying say is that they want to be a bigot with no consequences whatsoever and that free speech is good and fine...as long as it aligns itself with the conservative brand of political correctness.

    Example, Kapernick wants to show a protest by kneeling for the flag, using his 1st Amendment rights...and the right wants him fired, ban him and the NFL; essentially demanding consequences for those difference in opinion. Yet here, in this quote, we have a person who doesn't believe that "hate speech" should have any consequences to it...when he is in opposition to a political point. It's okay for someone to use the n-word without any consequence...but not kneeling for the flag. Saying that is hypocritical is an understatement.

    The snowflakes of the right are quick to defend Trump's commentary on grabbing a woman's privates...but god forbid you EVER say anything implying that Ivanka is a slut or even try to bring up Melania's slutty Maxim/GQ photo shoots or the lesbian photo shoot or the lesbian, S&M photo shoot she has done.

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    Re: First Amendment; What's yor take on it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    There is no such thing as "hate speech," and any law attempting to prohibit "hate speech" is in violation of the First Amendment. Which is why there are no law prohibiting this fictitious "hate speech."

    Only the insane left use terms like "hate speech" and they always apply it everyone who disagrees with them. Disagree with a delusional leftist and suddenly you become a "racist, misogynist, homophobic, Islamophobic, xenophobe" and everything you say is "hate speech." That is because leftists have not mentally matured beyond the age of puberty.
    For too long the fear of being called a "racist" has interfered with the dialog on race Bill Clinton called for, and which we need to have. It needs to be an honest conversation where people are not afraid to express their opinions, and where geneticists are not afraid to discuss their findings.

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    Re: First Amendment; What's yor take on it?

    Quote Originally Posted by uptower View Post
    Actually it exists in many countries as both a concept and a regulated or prohibited activity. Because once it becomes more than just some crazy guy on a corner - a movement or a party or a policy - then it infringes upon human rights.
    I understand that, and those countries that have laws prohibiting "hate speech" do not support free speech. The US is the only nation on the planet that actually supports free speech, and it has been that way for the last 230 years.

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    Re: First Amendment; What's yor take on it?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmartCat View Post
    For too long the fear of being called a "racist" has interfered with the dialog on race Bill Clinton called for, and which we need to have. It needs to be an honest conversation where people are not afraid to express their opinions, and where geneticists are not afraid to discuss their findings.
    "Racist" is an imaginary term the left like to use to shut up their opposition. Anyone who disagrees with an anti-American leftist is automatically a "racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc., etc." That is the real reason why the anti-American left support "hate speech," so they can use it to shut up their opposition. Leftists have never matured beyond the grade-school playground.

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    Re: First Amendment; What's yor take on it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    I understand that, and those countries that have laws prohibiting "hate speech" do not support free speech. The US is the only nation on the planet that actually supports free speech, and it has been that way for the last 230 years.
    Incorrect. They have as much free speech as the US but stops short where it can be unnecessarily harmful to others. You can scream the prime minister is an idiot to your heart's content on their street corners, but if you call for rounding up the Jews and gassing them, don't be surprised if the police are watching your Facebook page.

    Incidentally it's no different in the US, despite the illusion of 'free speech': the FBI keeps a tab on hate groups and agitators, no mistake. Hell if they had a file on MLK you can bet they have one on Richard Spencer, the Proud Boys or the Oath Breakers.

    As I mentioned earlier, the far right believes the First Amendment gives them the right to actively discriminate and the Second gives them the means to carry it out. They're living in a dreamworld. Freedom isn't free as the right wing love to preach. Free speech has consequences and hate speech gets you on someone's list.
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    Re: First Amendment; What's yor take on it?

    As for what trumplicans think of free speech - alright as long as you don't criticize the Orange God:

    Trump Says Only Trump Supporters Deserve Free Speech
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