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16 years ago the U.S. invaded Iraq,

Think about this. Bush becomes president in 2001. He declares war on terror 5 days after 9/11. We invade Iraq and Iran, both rich in oil. The bush family is rich in oil. But they can’t sell it. Because United States has a law that all oil found in The United States most be stored and not sold. There plan on extending fossil fuel. Buy everyone’s oil until there is none left and we are the only ones with any left. But after gas prices shoot up due to war on terror. The senate releases United state oil and the Bush’s get richer. Just a thought.


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There is more wrong in this post than I have time to correct.
 
Babykat:

The US invaded Iran? Fact check on aisle 16 please!

Cheers.

In 2003 The United States invaded Iraq to overthrew the government of Saddam Hussein.
In 2004 the United States invaded Iran with Operation Iran Freedom
Both of these invasions took place under Bush. I do fact check literature ever thing.


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Link to "Operation IRAN Freedom"?
 
Wow, you are totally uninformed. American, right?

gee whiz Ralph, I dunno. only Americans are uninformed? I was In the middle East sometime around oooooh lessay march 1991, and agin in may 1993... and one other time in 1994. does experience count as being informed?
 
when GBII went back after 9/11, what was the first thing US troops did? they went to Iraq National bank vaults and EMPTIED the dang things. The gulf war went way too fast for the govt to go and get it without being to obvious and we also didnt have the support of the Arab authority, Saudi Arabia, to just go and start a complete takeover of Iraq. I think Im reasonably informed and smart enough to know that everything is about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
16 years ago the U.S. invaded Iraq, leaving a trail of destruction and lives lost. Here are the consequences:

⁃4,496 U.S. troops lost their lives
⁃100,000+ Iraqi civilians killed
⁃Ongoing regional instability
⁃Incalculable damage to U.S. reputation in the world

for what?????

For profit. Defense contractors made a killing off of Iraq war. And you forgot the the trillions of dollars wasted. republicans proving again all they care about is making corporations richer. Who cares what it costs in lives and money

And like always, liberals were right. We knew invading Iraq was unwarranted and a completely stupid thing to do, and we are continually proven right. And the right wing idiotic, phony patriots called us terrorist sympathizers. Even though ISIS and terrorism blew up after invading Iraq and spread to other countries. But hey, why would right wingers care about brown people dying and suffering, that makes them happy
 
Think about this. Bush becomes president in 2001. He declares war on terror 5 days after 9/11. We invade Iraq and Iran, both rich in oil. The bush family is rich in oil. But they can’t sell it. Because United States has a law that all oil found in The United States most be stored and not sold. There plan on extending fossil fuel. Buy everyone’s oil until there is none left and we are the only ones with any left. But after gas prices shoot up due to war on terror. The senate releases United state oil and the Bush’s get richer. Just a thought.


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Cheney was the driver. Cheney when he worke din the Bush I admininstration pushed for privatizing defense contractors. Then he goes and works for Halliburton. Then he becomes VP, intelligence is ignored, and he was pushing to invade Iraq right after 9/11. Halliburton makes billions. You telling me he's not financially benefiting from war mongering?
 
Fory would right wingers care about brown people dying and suffering, that makes them happy

I hate when we get busted like that.

I know a lot people think it's black people we don't care about but it runs deeper. Any non-white color basically . Well except maybe yellow.
 
I hate when we get busted like that.

I know a lot people think it's black people we don't care about but it runs deeper. Any non-white color basically . Well except maybe yellow.

Who is gung ho and pushing for every war, its always right wingers. Who is against it? Liberals. Vietnam was another disgraceful, pointless war that killed so many and destroyed so much. Who attacked those who protested the wars? Who was right as usual? Deflect all you want, right wingers are war mongerers. Becuase they have no empathy and don't care about anything that doesn't effect them. The epitome of selfishness, only serve me and my people, the hell with everybody else
 
Who is gung ho and pushing for every war, its always right wingers. Who is against it? Liberals. Vietnam was another disgraceful, pointless war that killed so many and destroyed so much. Who attacked those who protested the wars? Who was right as usual? Deflect all you want, right wingers are war mongerers. Becuase they have no empathy and don't care about anything that doesn't effect them. The epitome of selfishness, only serve me and my people, the hell with everybody else

Consider this, when immigrants come here illegally they are forced to work jobs like sweat shops or migrant works. Because most companies now use e-verify to make sure they are legal citizens. Sweat shop workers and migrant workers are pretty much treated like slave labor and they have no protection in under law. If they complain or try to get thing improved they are just deported. But when the immigrants come here legally they end up getting good paying jobs with all the same rights and protection under law as any other American. Now liberals are fighting to keep a steady flow of illegals coming into the United States. Kind of seems like they want to keep slave labor and slave votes going. This isn’t the first time democrats have tried to leverage slave labor into more political power. They did it before the civil war as while. You are right though republicans did encourage the civil war to free slaves. We also supported south Vietnam and South Korea in their fight for freedom. “But your right we shouldn’t let Americans die to help non Americans gain freedom~.Let them suffer, Americans are more important~. Who cares if South Koreans get taken over and are forced to live under the North Korea’s dictatorship~.”


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gee whiz Ralph, I dunno. only Americans are uninformed? I was In the middle East sometime around oooooh lessay march 1991, and agin in may 1993... and one other time in 1994. does experience count as being informed?

When one is part of the totally lying Bush/Cheney band of war criminals then yes, those folks are totally uninformed. These are the same folks who believed the lies about Iraq WMD, yet still went ahead and helped murder millions of Iraqis. These are the same folks who believed the lies about OBL and Muslim hijackers when there is zero evidence for any of them doing anything to the USA. So those who are in Afghanistan are as woefully ignorant as those who went into Iraq or Syria or Libya or Vietnam or Cambodia or Korea or Laos or Indonesia or East Timor or anywhere else the US has slaughtered millions.
 
Then he becomes VP, intelligence is ignored, and he was pushing to invade Iraq right after 9/11.?

Other way around:

We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) program
s in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade. (See INR alternative view at the end of these Key Judgments.)
We judge that we are seeing only a portion of Iraq's WMD efforts, owing to Baghdad's vigorous denial and deception efforts. Revelations after the Gulf war starkly demonstrate the extensive efforts undertaken by Iraq to deny information. We lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD programs.
Key Judgments: Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction

The conclusion ,that's all that matters. Not all that lw ,conspiracy theory gibberish.
 
W These are the same folks who believed the lies about Iraq WMD, ymillions.

Key Judgments: Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction
We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade. (See INR alternative view at the end of these Key Judgments.)
We judge that we are seeing only a portion of Iraq's WMD efforts, owing to Baghdad's vigorous denial and deception efforts. Revelations after the Gulf war starkly demonstrate the extensive efforts undertaken by Iraq to deny information. We lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD programs.
Key Judgments: Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction

The conclusion ,that's all that matters. Not all that lw ,conspiracy theory gibberish.
 
The US never overthrows dictatorships, it creates them. So stop with the BS rank USA propaganda. Learn some real history. The invasions of I and A were illegal invasions, the ultimate war crime. The illegal invasions were all based on USA lies, which is always the case too.

1. the Us both overthrows and creates dictatorships depending on which ones they like or dislike, which ones they think they can or cannot. Not to mention unintended impacts. That is real history. Your statement is patently absurd.

2. I never get into international law discussions of this sort. It is completely futile as there are no international bodies with practical and consistent enforcement capacities, and jurisdiction is virtually voluntary based on treaty. The reason countries like to renounce their prior membership to treaties and organizations that try to civilize international conduct is because it works to renounce them. Nobody cares what the World Court or UN says in response to challenges based on international law so what it actually says is left impotent. Might may not make right in international relations, but it sure impacts what 'jurisdiction' and 'aggressor' means. That's why I tend to discuss morality. security concerns or pragmatics in these discussions instead law

3. Now reread my post more carefully. Not one word was written as an argument in favor of those wars. I am and have always been on your side. I just avoid your hyperbolic terms.
 
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when GBII went back after 9/11, what was the first thing US troops did? they went to Iraq National bank vaults and EMPTIED the dang things. The gulf war went way too fast for the govt to go and get it without being to obvious and we also didnt have the support of the Arab authority, Saudi Arabia, to just go and start a complete takeover of Iraq. I think Im reasonably informed and smart enough to know that everything is about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

WTF are you talking about?
 
When one is part of the totally lying Bush/Cheney band of war criminals then yes, those folks are totally uninformed. These are the same folks who believed the lies about Iraq WMD, yet still went ahead and helped murder millions of Iraqis. These are the same folks who believed the lies about OBL and Muslim hijackers when there is zero evidence for any of them doing anything to the USA. So those who are in Afghanistan are as woefully ignorant as those who went into Iraq or Syria or Libya or Vietnam or Cambodia or Korea or Laos or Indonesia or East Timor or anywhere else the US has slaughtered millions.

When?
 
For profit. Defense contractors made a killing off of Iraq war. And you forgot the the trillions of dollars wasted. republicans proving again all they care about is making corporations richer. Who cares what it costs in lives and money

And like always, liberals were right. We knew invading Iraq was unwarranted and a completely stupid thing to do, and we are continually proven right. And the right wing idiotic, phony patriots called us terrorist sympathizers. Even though ISIS and terrorism blew up after invading Iraq and spread to other countries. But hey, why would right wingers care about brown people dying and suffering, that makes them happy

Many, many Democrats agreed with the invasion.
 

Amazing, you quote the original liars as a defense of US heinous war crimes. You might as well have quoted arch liar GWB and Dickhead lies his ass off Cheney, or COLON Powell, or Donald Al Quaeda Underground Bunkers Rumsfeld, or ... . They are all incredible liars as are far too many Americans. They lied about OBL and Muslim hijackers. Neither had anything to do with the Bush government murdering some 6000 of their own.
 
1. the Us both overthrows and creates dictatorships depending on which ones they like or dislike, which ones they think they can or cannot. Not to mention unintended impacts. That is real history.

Real history is that these US actions are all war crimes, as defined by the USA at Nuremberg/Tokyo. The problem is the USA has never followed the very international laws that they largely set up.


Your statement is patently absurd.

You'll have to be more specific, please.

2. I never get into international law discussions of this sort. It is completely futile as there are no international bodies with practical and consistent enforcement capacities, and jurisdiction is virtually voluntary based on treaty. The reason countries like to renounce their prior membership to treaties and organizations that try to civilize international conduct is because it works to renounce them. Nobody cares what the World Court or UN says in response to challenges based on international law so what it actually says is left impotent. Might may not make right in international relations, but it sure impacts what 'jurisdiction' and 'aggressor' means. That's why I tend to discuss morality. security concerns or pragmatics in these discussions instead law.

3. Now reread my post more carefully. Not one word was written as an argument in favor of those wars. I am and have always been on your side. I just avoid your hyperbolic terms.

It warms my heart to encounter an honest person, American, I presume. I salute you.

But regardless, the West has lots of evil people supporting these monsters, the US prezes since WWII, and UK, Canada, Aussie/NZ/... monsters also.
 
Amazing, you quote the original liars as a defense of US heinous war crimes. You might as well have quoted arch liar GWB and Dickhead lies his ass off Cheney, or COLON Powell, or Donald Al Quaeda Underground Bunkers Rumsfeld, or ... . They are all incredible liars as are far too many Americans. They lied about OBL and Muslim hijackers. Neither had anything to do with the Bush government murdering some 6000 of their own.

The bolded is a lie.
 
They lied about OBL and Muslim hijackers. Neither had anything to do with the Bush government murdering some 6000 of their own.

There are no airport time/date stamped photos of any Muslim hijackers from any of the airports the US governments' liars said they flew from on nine eleven.

There was never never ANY evidence from Bush, Blair, COLON Powell, Cheney, anyone, though it was promised.

Yet we still have deeply evil people defending the Bush/Cheney war criminals who murdered their own. That really takes a special kind of evil in a "person" to do that.
 
for what?????

For nothing.

If President George Walker Bush had been an honorable man, he would have apologized to the American (and Iraqi) people by resigning.

Let's not forget that invading countries seemed to run in the Bush family. Beside Kuwait, Panama was also invaded by his father, who did not like one of their leaders and thought that he had the right to go there, grab that leader, and throw him into an American prison. (No wonder North Korea is not that keen on giving up its weapons.)
 
gee whiz Ralph, I dunno. only Americans are uninformed? I was In the middle East sometime around oooooh lessay march 1991, and agin in may 1993... and one other time in 1994. does experience count as being informed?

I was in Iraq from 2014 to 2015 and Afghanistan from 2015 to 2016. I was there with KBR.


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When one is part of the totally lying Bush/Cheney band of war criminals then yes, those folks are totally uninformed. These are the same folks who believed the lies about Iraq WMD, yet still went ahead and helped murder millions of Iraqis. These are the same folks who believed the lies about OBL and Muslim hijackers when there is zero evidence for any of them doing anything to the USA. So those who are in Afghanistan are as woefully ignorant as those who went into Iraq or Syria or Libya or Vietnam or Cambodia or Korea or Laos or Indonesia or East Timor or anywhere else the US has slaughtered millions.

this is from quote #36
You know ralph, Americans don't join the military to be blindly led into battle. And those Americans that did join werent and arent ignorant. Most joined to be part of something to be proud of or feel a greater sense of purpose other than self.
You seem to be fairly sympathetic to the Arab world so Im going to guess that you are culturaly connected to them. Those people are just as ignorant as the Americans you blame for ignorance. They crap on their own people in their own homeland.
Did we eliminate the enemy as directed? Sure did
How many different religious factions in Iran and Iraq kill each other everyday? And yet all you can do is call Americans 'ignorant' for doing the same thing.
Ya know what? Who cares. Who cares if the Americans do it, the Russians, the Iraqis, the Iranians, the Israelites, the Turks, the Syrians. I mean who gives a crap about the longest war in world history. The sons of Ishmael and the sons of Esau will kill each till the end of time. And we will sell them the weapons to do it and test our weapons on their soil.
Hows that for IGNORANT
 
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