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The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

Rich2018 said:
Could Hitler or Stalin in any way be called a "liberal"
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liberalism is about always increasing govt size so HItler Stalin certainly quality which explains why our liberals spied for them and why they gave Stalin the Bomb.

Maher Mocks Liberals for Loving Stalin - and His Liberal ...

NewsBusters | Exposing and Combating Liberal Media Bias › blogs › jack-coleman › 2014/02/17 › mahe...
Feb 17, 2014 - On his latest "Real Time with Bill Maher" show on HBO over the weekend, Bill Maher went where no comedian wants to find himself -- the dead ...


COULTER: Liberals singing different tune on Russia
Asbury Park Press NJ | Jersey Shore & New Jersey News › story › opinion › columnists › 2017/03/16 › ann-cou...
Mar 16, 2017 - Liberals say Vladimir Putin is a “thug” and a “bully” who kills journalists. ... Back then, liberals were spying for Stalin (Julius Rosenberg's code name: “Liberal”), the U.S. ... Sting sang that “the Russians love their children, too.”.

Why Russia Is Making Stalin Great Again | Opinion | OZY

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Mar 13, 2019 - For Russian youngsters these days, Stalin is a figure from the distant .... No mention of the love that many/most liberals of the time had for Stalin.


New York City Honors Communist Monster -- Ethel Rosenberg ...

National Review: Conservative News, Opinion, Politics, Policy, & Current Events › 2015/09 › new-york-city-honors-comm...
Sep 30, 2015 - New York's city council will honor Ethel Rosenberg, a Soviet spy who ... in order to give Stalin et al. another weapon in their battery of terror. ... It is more than symbolic that Julius Rosenberg's Soviet codename was: Liberal.



3 Fort Monmouth, 1940–1942 (pp. 36-54)
The summer of 1940 was a hard time to be an American Communist. Party discipline required Communists to oppose all assistance to the enemies of fascism even as German bombs were leveling British cities in preparation for an invasion that, if successful, would put all of Western Europe under Nazi domination. The Soviet Union, acting in concert with Germany, had swallowed eastern Poland, absorbed the tiny Baltic states, and bitten a bloody chunk out of Finland. In New York, Jewish Communists were taunted with “Heil Hitler” greetings, and liberal organizations throughout the country mobilized to expel “CommuNazis.”
 
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James972 said:
liberalism is about always increasing govt size so HItler Stalin certainly quality which explains why our liberals spied for them and why they gave Stalin the Bomb.

Maher Mocks Liberals for Loving Stalin - and His Liberal ...

NewsBusters | Exposing and Combating Liberal Media Bias › blogs › jack-coleman › 2014/02/17 › mahe...
Feb 17, 2014 - On his latest "Real Time with Bill Maher" show on HBO over the weekend, Bill Maher went where no comedian wants to find himself -- the dead ...
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25th Amendment - proof it needs to be exercised

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Vadinho said:
It is most certainly not a waste of time because twice in the last 20 years the EC vote produced a winner that did not win the popular vote.
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once again small states don't want popular vote to determine presidency and they certainly are not going to give up their power in Senate especially when they have so little in House. Slow????
 
Rich2018 said:
I looked it up. The interstate compact.

The Constitution says no state shall, without the consent of Congress, enter into an agreement or compact with another.

So has such an agreement or compact been unconstitutionally made ?
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It has. By several states. It hasn't received a court challenge yet.
 
I find it absolutely hilarious that the most pernicious of trolls is complaining about trolls in this thread. Wow. Chutzpah!
 
Vadinho said:
It is most certainly not a waste of time because twice in the last 20 years the EC vote produced a winner that did not win the popular vote. If this continues, do not expect the majority to stand by idly. I can see from your response that you have given up defending it, very typical of an EC supporter. There is no moral defense for it at all. It is an artifact of history, it must go.
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It is most certainly not a waste of time because twice in the last 20 years the EC vote produced a winner that did not win the popular vote. Do you understand why this happens, the simple answer is: We do not elect the POTUS via popular vote, what part of this do you not understand, there have been 100's of post on this thread explaining the EC and why it function the way it does, have you read any of those?
 
Terryj said:
It is most certainly not a waste of time because twice in the last 20 years the EC vote produced a winner that did not win the popular vote. Do you understand why this happens, the simple answer is: We do not elect the POTUS via popular vote, what part of this do you not understand, there have been 100's of post on this thread explaining the EC and why it function the way it does, have you read any of those?
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Do you realize that the majority of us think the EC is outdated and that you are reading our collective anger and disgust at a system that goes against the will of the people.
 
OpportunityCost said:
It has. By several states. It hasn't received a court challenge yet.
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I wasn't aware of one - I assume it doesn't cover things like reciprocal arrangements between states over things like concealed carry of a weapon or does it ?

When was the last inter-state agreement you're thinking about ?
 
Rich2018 said:
I wasn't aware of one - I assume it doesn't cover things like reciprocal arrangements between states over things like concealed carry of a weapon or does it ?

When was the last inter-state agreement you're thinking about ?
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Last question isn't very clear rephrase, please.
 
Vadinho said:
Do you realize that the majority of us think the EC is outdated and that you are reading our collective anger and disgust at a system that goes against the will of the people.
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It doesn't or it would have already been amended. It goes against the sour grapes of the Democrats...
 
NWRatCon said:
I find it absolutely hilarious that the most pernicious of trolls is complaining about trolls in this thread. Wow. Chutzpah!
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Are you going to find more hilarity with your own posts.

Good that you find amusement playing with yourself.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Last question isn't very clear rephrase, please.
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You suggested that the inter-state compact had been done unconstitutionally because of congressional lack of approval.

This being the case - which agreements/dates are you referring to ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Are you going to find more hilarity with your own posts.

Good that you find amusement playing with yourself.
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I have no idea what that is intended to mean except nonsense and an implication of an insult...?
 
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The problem with the argument against the NPVIC is that the "compact" only involves an internal determination clearly outlined as within the authority of the States in the Constitution. "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress". (Article II, Section 2, cl. 2, emphasis added.) There is no role for Congress whatever. It will be an interesting constitutional discussion if we ever get there.
 
Rich2018 said:
They didn't think it through.

The US Constitution is full of checks and balances - it is its greatest weakness.
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Coming from highly partisan liberals who don't even believe in the Constitution, in the first place, your side has zero credibility on this and any other Constitutional matter. You want socialism and a one party (Democratic) political system. Your friends in the FBI under Obama wanted a 100,000,000 to zero election against trump.
 
James972 said:
once again small states don't want popular vote to determine presidency and they certainly are not going to give up their power in Senate especially when they have so little in House. Slow????
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Small states dominated by Republican politicians will be loathe to give up the mathematical affirmative action of Electoral College gives them. It is only when that EC system bites them in their own ass that they will turn on this issue.
 
American said:
Coming from highly partisan liberals who don't even believe in the Constitution, in the first place, your side has zero credibility on this and any other Constitutional matter. You want socialism and a one party (Democratic) political system. Your friends in the FBI under Obama wanted a 100,000,000 to zero election against trump.
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Which liberals (do you have any names of liberal politicians who are still alive and who might serve as a example) don't believe in the Constitution ?

Which part of the Constitution would they not like and why ? Don't liberals like laws about freedoms to be codified ?

Does not the Constitution support liberalism and oppose conservatism ? Especially the bits about divorcing the state from religion and freedom of expression


You rant about wanting socialism like it's a bad thing. Why is taxing the wealthy and providing healthcare and food/shelter to those in need, opposed to the constitution.
Please don't rant about Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Hitler etc....or about "commies"


What liberals have said they want a one party state - which is a bad thing as everyone would agree ?
But to be clear how many Democratic senators, Congressmen or Presidents does the GOP want ?
 
Rich2018 said:
You suggested that the inter-state compact had been done unconstitutionally because of congressional lack of approval.

This being the case - which agreements/dates are you referring to ?
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If you looked it up, you know which states and what agreements. So what answer are you digging for to your question? Posters that do what you are doing are tiresome, just ask what you really want to ask, not couch it in leading questions.
 
Rich2018 said:
Which liberals (do you have any names of liberal politicians who are still alive and who might serve as a example) don't believe in the Constitution ?

Which part of the Constitution would they not like and why ? Don't liberals like laws about freedoms to be codified ?

Does not the Constitution support liberalism and oppose conservatism ? Especially the bits about divorcing the state from religion and freedom of expression


You rant about wanting socialism like it's a bad thing. Why is taxing the wealthy and providing healthcare and food/shelter to those in need, opposed to the constitution.
Please don't rant about Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Hitler etc....or about "commies"


What liberals have said they want a one party state - which is a bad thing as everyone would agree ?
But to be clear how many Democratic senators, Congressmen or Presidents does the GOP want ?
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Really? 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and 10th. The legal protections only exist to protect Democrats from some of the arguments I have heard on this site. Lets face it, most liberals are outright hostile to freedom of speech (unless they agree with it), religion, assembly (unless it causes they agree with), and they hate the 2nd with a passion. Every act, every thought, every decision has been brought to be overtly political---you will be made to care. Live and let live is dead as can be because of this attitude and don't let a crisis go to waste. PC, SJW, and all encompassing environmental concerns about every aspect of human life are means to an end----control.

Don't even start on the 10th, FDR killed it dead.

So don't pretend like you white knights on your moral high horses are the good guys, you seek to oppress everyone that doesn't agree with you. Because I choose to is never enough for you, you seek an underlying reason why, people don't need to give you that, that's called being free, they don't need to justify a damn thing to you.
 
OpportunityCost said:
If you looked it up, you know which states and what agreements. So what answer are you digging for to your question? Posters that do what you are doing are tiresome, just ask what you really want to ask, not couch it in leading questions.
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You're the one making the claim that the Constitution has been breached.

Why should I do your homework for you ? Back up your claims with evidence

Too many posters on here think they can make some outrageous claim (often just a poorly disguised attack on a group they don't like and usually accompanied with labels such as "commies" or "liberals") and not have the back it up.
 
Rich2018 said:
You're the one making the claim that the Constitution has been breached.

Why should I do your homework for you ? Back up your claims with evidence

Too many posters on here think they can make some outrageous claims (often just a poorly disguised attack on a group they don't like and usually accompanied with labels such as "commies" or "liberals" and not have the back it up.
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Its on wikipedia for ****s sake. It lists the states, the date they passed it, how their votes will change based on what mechanism. But you want a cite...

Posters that do what you are doing want to bury their head in the sand and ignore easily, very, very easily located information or pretend it doesn't exist. Lets not pretend you are intellectually incapacitated and you can go look it up.

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