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The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

Beowulf said:
No 38 states will ratify an amendment taking away two of their electors. Never gonna happen.
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In what world does one have to live to believe that State legislatures, imbued with the sole-power to determine the President of the United States by the US Constitution, would suddenly want to throw all that away in favor of mob rule? It is not a world I can imagine.
 
akyron said:


The founders rejected the tyranny of the majority.

Progressive democrats wish of course to establish a tyranny of the majority.

Getting what you want is often a curse when it all plays out at the end.

I wonder if they are even aware of what they are trying to destroy.
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Sure they are they are trying to destroy the current system to make way for the LIbNazi Green New Deal, open borders, free health care and education for illegals, and guaranteed income for even those who don't want to work.

Totally deceptive to hide behind EC. Did HItler say he was going to kill all the Jews and conquer the entire world when he started out?
 
Beowulf said:
No 38 states will ratify an amendment taking away two of their electors. Never gonna happen.
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It will happen as soon as Republicans end up on the losing side of the EC while winning the popular vote.
 
Beowulf said:
Your refutation has already been refuted:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
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already refuted weeks ago.
 
haymarket said:
It will happen as soon as Republicans end up on the losing side of the EC while winning the popular vote.
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I wonder which 38 states will ratify an amendment reducing their political power?
 
Beowulf said:
I wonder which 38 states will ratify an amendment reducing their political power?
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Asking a question that was answered in the post you quoted is pointless and inane.
 
Beowulf said:
Uh yeah. You already disposed of the constitution. Good job.
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Disposed of YOUR view on it. And yes, it was a most thorough job that has left you repeating and chasing your tail in desperation.
 
haymarket said:
Disposed of YOUR view on it. And yes, it was a most thorough job that has left you repeating and chasing your tail in desperation.
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My view is that states appoint electors. Which is what it says in the constitution.

So proud of you for disposing of the constitution.
 
Faithless electors, anyone?
 
Beowulf said:
Is there something you'd like to say about the recent 10th circuit ruling?
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Do you not see how it could throw the Electoral College vote into the House for potus and the Senate for VP?
 
Linc said:
Do you not see how it could throw the Electoral College vote into the House for potus and the Senate for VP?
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Yes, that's a possibility. And?
 
Linc said:
You approached me first. Do you support the appellate ruling on faithless electors? Simple question.
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Of course. The electors will vote by ballot. That's what the constitution says.
 
Beowulf said:
Of course. The electors will vote by ballot. That's what the constitution says.
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Does the Constitution say that an elector in a state won by a Democrat can instead vote for the Republican, as the 10th circuit has now ruled?
 
Linc said:
Does the Constitution say that an elector in a state won by a Democrat can instead vote for the Republican, as the 10th circuit has now ruled?
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This is what the constitution says: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."
 
Beowulf said:
This is what the constitution says: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."
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So, no answer to faithless electors, and how this will play out with the 12th and 22nd amendments. That’s because it’s never happened, yet. For 2020, we have the possibility of an extremely close electoral college. 2016 saw the greatest # of faithless electors ever.

With the edge the GOP has in states at 27-21-2 in the House, a coordinated effort by the gop to cast votes for those other than who won that state certainly exists. Five Clinton votes and Two Trump votes did not go for them. Getting the Dem under 270 with faithless electors is a very real scenario with today’s gop.
 
Linc said:
So, no answer to faithless electors, and how this will play out with the 12th and 22nd amendments. That’s because it’s never happened, yet. For 2020, we have the possibility of an extremely close electoral college. 2016 saw the greatest # of faithless electors ever.

With the edge the GOP has in states at 27-21-2 in the House, a coordinated effort by the gop to cast votes for those other than who won that state certainly exists. Five Clinton votes and Two Trump votes did not go for them. Getting the Dem under 270 with faithless electors is a very real scenario with today’s gop.
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The job of an elector is to elect. I'm not sure what whole "faithless" thing is. An elector casts their vote as they see fit.
 
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