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The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

Beowulf said:
I wonder which 38 of the states will ratify an amendment to their treaty that will reduce their political power.
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I doubt that even blue states would give up that power.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I doubt that even blue states would give up that power.
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Of course not. This whole thing about amending the treaty to modify the system of choosing the president is simply sour grapes. The big states want to run roughshod over the less populous states. But that goes against the whole principle of the Connecticut compromise. Some people simply don't know their history.
 
ObamacareFail said:
As do the majority of Americans. Your belief that abolishing the electoral college is popular is just a left wing fantasy.
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Actually it is a mainstream fantasy.
 
haymarket said:
Actually it is a mainstream fantasy.
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All you need are 38 states to choose to modify their treaty so as to reduce their political power. I wonder which 38 states you think will choose to amend their treaty in such a manner.
 
Beowulf said:
All you need are 38 states to choose to modify their treaty so as to reduce their political power. I wonder which 38 states you think will choose to amend their treaty in such a manner.
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All you need is people to vote for equality in voting.
 
haymarket said:
All you need is people to vote for equality in voting.
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Right. That's what you need. You need Wyoming to give up power to New York. I wonder whether Wyoming will decide to do so. And also 37 other states.
 
Beowulf said:
Right. That's what you need. You need Wyoming to give up power to New York. I wonder whether Wyoming will decide to do so. And also 37 other states.
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The fact that the advantaged will not readily give up their unfair advantage is not an argument for the existence of the advantage in the first place.

The Republicans will NOT agree to a popular vote for president until they are the party which is denied the presidency as they win the popular vote but lose the Electoral Vote. Until that happens, Republicans will continue to support them which they believe gives them an advantage.
 
haymarket said:
The fact that the advantaged will not readily give up their unfair advantage is not an argument for the existence of the advantage in the first place.

The Republicans will NOT agree to a popular vote for president until they are the party which is denied the presidency as they win the popular vote but lose the Electoral Vote. Until that happens, Republicans will continue to support them which they believe gives them an advantage.
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You are aware that it's a treaty established among sovereign states?
 
Beowulf said:
The union is a federation. A treaty among sovereign states. Not a nation like Milan or London.
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Does the theme from THE TWILIGHT ZONE plays in the background of your posts? I ask because denying that the USA is a nation is either mental illness of pure extremist fantasy worthy of Rod Serling at this finest.
 
haymarket said:
Does the theme from THE TWILIGHT ZONE plays in the background of your posts? I ask because denying that the USA is a nation is either mental illness of pure extremist fantasy worthy of Rod Serling at this finest.
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Do you not understand what a state is?
 
Beowulf said:
Okay. Then you understand that the united states is a union of states.
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And that union of states created the nation The United States of America.

Why are we going through the obvious?

I taught US Government for 33 years. This is akin to asking a teacher of Math if they know how to add two plus two.

What is your point?
 
haymarket said:
And that union of states created the nation The United States of America.

Why are we going through the obvious?

I taught US Government for 33 years. This is akin to asking a teacher of Math if they know how to add two plus two.

What is your point?
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My point? That the union was established among sovereign states.
 
jmotivator said:
It ABSOLUTELY is the purpose of the Electoral College. The point of the Electoral College is to limit the impact of state decisions regarding national elections to only that state. Since the rest of the country has no recourse to fight other state's election law, let alone cast votes for other state's officials, it only makes sense to limit the impact of a state's election law to that state. The way you do that is through an Electoral Vote system rather than a popular vote system. The Electoral College is the only logical option in a Federal government when it comes to national elections.
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For this reason, I'm not sure the pooling of electoral votes will pass SCOTUS.

I think it will be tested. The outcome? Who knows.
 
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