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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

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    Calling out evil whenever you see it is a moral obligation.
    Ah, but calling people evil that aren't isn't a virtue, its the typical SJW vice of virtue signaling.

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    The 2016 electoral map shows exactly why the EC is still very much relevant and needed today.

    Thankfully the Constitution requires 3/4 of the States to ratify an amendment. You will never see the States choose to abdicate their power to another State to their own peril.
    States do not vote. People vote. And Republicans who defend the EC because they believe they have a built in advantage will change their position when it bites them in the ass and they are on the losing end of the deal the way the Democrats have been five different times.
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    No. The majority do not deserve to have their votes dominate the minority. Besides a simple mathematical argument, I’d like to hear why one thinks the majority deserve this.
    So the consensus is in from the true patriots, those that believe only they should have the power to select a POTUS and the rest of us should just stay home. Got it.
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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

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    Thankfully the Constitution requires 3/4 of the States to ratify an amendment.
    How is that done exactly?
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    Democrats are evil.
    How so? Evidence? Argument? Examples? Or, is this just the typical idiocy of ideological tribalism?
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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    This is informative reading

    The road to abolish the Electoral College may just run through Texas (Opinion) - CNN

    this is particularly interesting for those who falsely maintain that it forces candidates to consider ALL the states

    For instance, after the two major party conventions concluded, 94% of all public campaigning took place in 12 states, and 70% took place in just six states. No major party candidate held a rally, gave a speech or held a public event in any state with only three electoral votes.
    The same is true for many of the most highly populated states. FairVote's analysis found that Donald Trump and Mike Pence failed to campaign in more than half of the 50 states, while Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine failed to campaign in nearly three-quarters of the states in the union.
    And that is under the current EC system.
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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    States do not vote. People vote. And Republicans who defend the EC because they believe they have a built in advantage will change their position when it bites them in the ass and they are on the losing end of the deal the way the Democrats have been five different times.
    There are numerous argument iterated repeatedly here that violate Brandolini's law. For example, "the EC is designed to protect the minority from the majority". That is just untrue. Never has been, isn't now, never will be. It needs to stop being said (but I'm sure it won't be). The EC was supposed to represent the will of the majority.

    The United States is a DEMOCRACY - "a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives" - or at least it is supposed to be. The people vote to elect their leaders. It is a "representative democracy", in that the powers of the government are delegated to elected leaders. That is the definition of a "Republic" as it was used by the framers, so again, cut the crap.

    If something is 10% true and 90% false, is it still true? The balance of power between the States was a small consideration in the creation of the EC. Virginia was the main proponent and it was the largest voting State. Why do you think so many early Presidents were from Virginia? The EC did not create or obviate the problem.

    The Electoral College was a compromise between legislative election of the President and popular vote. That is all there is to it. At the time of its adoption, popular election was not practical, and potentially physically impossible. It took days, sometimes weeks, to travel the country and was an arduous process. "local" elections were the only practical method. Yes, various members of the Constitutional Convention expressed various concerns about the implications of one voting method or another, but the reality is that the EC was a cobbled-together compromise to get the Constitution off the ground. It is not sacrosanct, and wasn't then. It was an effort to keep the whole thing from failing at the start. It long ago outlived its usefulness, and didn't even survive intact after the election of George Washington.

    The EC was intended to allow the people to have a say in who was the President, not the States. That is why they vote for Electors, not the legislatures. Moreover it was intended to allow the majority have the say in who was President.

    In short, most of the arguments put forth in favor of the EC are just BS to cover for something else. What those something elses might be, I will not speculate upon here, but we kinda know what they are.
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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Ah, but calling people evil that aren't isn't a virtue, its the typical SJW vice of virtue signaling.
    I don't think, my friend, you know what virtue is, do you?
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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is informative reading

    The road to abolish the Electoral College may just run through Texas (Opinion) - CNN

    this is particularly interesting for those who falsely maintain that it forces candidates to consider ALL the states



    And that is under the current EC system.
    Really good article and video.
    Mission: "to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States." ACLU. Why isn't every American a member?

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