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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherFease View Post
    And you need to explain why times need to change for the EC. The EC creates a balance. You're proposing that small states lose all of their competitive advantages. All what I am hearing is to different color gum ball logic. Getting rid of the EC, would also lead to scraping our primary and caucus system. Again, the EC doesn't oppress anybody, unlike slavery, segregation, and denying women equal protection.
    Because it violates the sacred principle of one person and one vote with no vote counting any more than any other vote.
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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    An APPOINTMENT and an ELECTION are two very different things. One is empowering an individual or body of individuals to chose somebody of their choice for a position. The other is the people chosing a person for a public office. Electors are elected by the people. They are NOT appointed.
    You are incorrect:

    "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf View Post
    You are incorrect:

    "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."
    already thoroughly refuted when you could not name one person in one state who appointed even one Elector independent from election by the people who voted for them.

    You lost. Bigtime.
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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    already thoroughly refuted when you could not name one person in one state who appointed even one Elector independent from election by the people who voted for them.

    You lost. Bigtime.
    Lol, you refuted the constitution? Bully for you.

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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf View Post
    Lol, you refuted the constitution? Bully for you.
    I refuted YOUR INTERPRETATION of it. But then you know that are stuck endlessly chasing your own tail.
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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I refuted YOUR INTERPRETATION of it. But then you know that are stuck endlessly chasing your own tail.
    What would your alternate interpretation of “appoint” be?

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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf View Post
    What would your alternate interpretation of “appoint” be?
    Have you forgotten already what I have said about this for some time now? Simply go back and review for heavens sake.
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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Have you forgotten already what I have said about this for some time now? Simply go back and review for heavens sake.
    No I haven't forgotten. You claimed that states don't appoint electors.

    However, the constitution says that they do.

    "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."

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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherFease View Post
    I'll take a stab at your question/concern.
    Thank you for making the effort, that others simply are incapable of.

    Lets first understand a very basic concept here: We ONLY have -- primarily -- the electoral college to begin with (and the senate) in order to even the playing field between big state America and small state America.
    Perhaps and imperfect as it was/is it does not mean it is still valid today.

    You remove the Electoral College in favor of the popular vote, then all votes gets weighed the same, regardless of what state you live in.
    The notion of one man one vote and the basic fairness that represents, outweighs the dated notion that was the basis for creating the EC

    So it basically breaks down to whether or not, small states should have any super power.
    Nobody should have any superpower. The power belongs to the people and no more to any segment of it that to any other.

    Instead of swing states, we will simply see candidates focusing on the most densely populated areas and leaving pretty much everybody else alone.
    Not really, because even with the large disparity of California's vote in the last election, there is no guarantee that even in California such disparity would prevail in future elections and in no state is the vote one sided. Past elections support this as candidates from both parties have carried majority votes in any particular state. However to elect a President by the current method when a considerably larger segment of the population opposes the candidate than supports the candidate, it becomes an affront to the will of "we the people" and without that we have no USA.

    The EC support/opposition seems to break down by party lines. You're a Republican, you like the electoral college, because it brought you Bush and Trump. You're a Democrat, you hate the electoral college, because it brought you Bush and Trump.
    How about if you are just for a fair and equitable method, which clearly the EC is not.
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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf View Post
    No I haven't forgotten. You claimed that states don't appoint electors.

    However, the constitution says that they do.

    "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."
    You are senselessly repeating matters already explained to you. You simply refuse to understand.
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