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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A most excellent post.


    Thanks. I appreciate you saying so. I don't mind developing debate to go somewhere. To acknowledge that states can take the meaning of A3S1C2 as to select Electors by popular vote if they so choose, but also have the right to directly appoint Electors, would be a recognition of the practical and operative facts of the matter and might move the debate forward to, well, somewhere.

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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by bluesmoke View Post
    Thanks. I appreciate you saying so. I don't mind developing debate to go somewhere. To acknowledge that states can take the meaning of A3S1C2 as to select Electors by popular vote if they so choose, but also have the right to directly appoint Electors, would be a recognition of the practical and operative facts of the matter and might move the debate forward to, well, somewhere.
    We have fifty states out of fifty that elect their Electors when people vote for the presidential candidate of their choice. And that reality is good enough for me.
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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    "IN SUCH MANNER AS THE LEGISLATURE THEREOF MAY DIRECT" is an election which is conducted in every state all over the nation and in places which are not states and all comprise the USA.

    But you already knew that because it was explained to you days ago.
    Sure. The legislature could choose to do that. Or they could pick names out of the phone book.

    And then those electors vote by ballot for the president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf View Post
    Sure. The legislature could choose to do that. Or they could pick names out of the phone book.

    And then those electors vote by ballot for the president.
    I am not concerned with your fantasies. Reality is all that counts.
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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am not concerned with your fantasies. Reality is all that counts.
    Right. Reality:

    "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."

    "The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;"

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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf View Post
    Right. Reality:

    "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."

    "The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;"
    Yes - reality - the way things actually are.
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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes - reality - the way things actually are.
    Yep. It's all there in the constitution for anyone interested in civics to read.

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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf View Post
    Yep. It's all there in the constitution for anyone interested in civics to read.
    Which has been explained to you at least ten times already but you prefer the ostrich defense.
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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which has been explained to you at least ten times already but you prefer the ostrich defense.
    Yep. The constitution describes the whole process.

    You don't need to explain anything. We can all read the constitution.

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    Re: The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf View Post
    Yep. The constitution describes the whole process.

    You don't need to explain anything. We can all read the constitution.
    Actually you have proven that you cannot read the Constitution.
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