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Dershowitz Says Constitution is Unconstitutional Trump Retweets

Mach said:
25 ammdemdent is legal.
You could quite Dershowitz if you think there is something magical in his claim specific to this, I'm not taking your word for it.
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The 25th is for the succession of the presidency if the president becomes ill or is impeached.

Of course don't take my word for it. I'm a simple librarian. This is what Dershowitz has to say about it.




And the moon is made of green cheese. Why relevant, and how do you know, and who cares?
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Who cares about attempted coups in the U.S.? Well, I do.


cuckoo.
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Nope, fact.

FISA shocker: DOJ official warned Steele dossier was connected to Clinton, might be biased

...Since it was disclosed last year that Steele’s dossier formed a central piece of evidence supporting the FISA warrant, Justice and FBI officials have been vague about exactly when they learned that Steele’s work was paid for by the law firm representing the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

A redacted version of the FISA application released last year shows the FBI did not mention any connection to the DNC or Clinton. Rather, it referred to Steele as a reliable source in past criminal investigations who was hired by a person working for a U.S. law firm to conduct research on Trump and Russia.

The FBI claimed it was “unaware of any derogatory information” about Steele, that Steele was “never advised … as to the motivation behind the research” but that the FBI “speculates” that those who hired Steele were “likely looking for information to discredit” Trump’s campaign....
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So I see you agree that Dershowitz was incorrect so suggest that DOJ discussing 25th amendment was not a coup.
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Now that's cuckoo!

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Dutch said:
He's being pro constitution. This guy only has decades as a died in the wool liberal as his bona fides. By any measure of the term this was a coup attempt by members of the FBI.
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Dershowitz was liberal and supported liberal causes right up until some liberal politicians began questioning the actions of Israel. That's all he cares about. He's a one-trick pony.
 
Fledermaus said:
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd?

The word you used was "pedo".

EVIDENCE he was a "pedo".
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There's more evidence of Alan Dershowatz being a pedo than Obama not being born in this country.
 
Dutch said:
The 25th is for the succession of the presidency if the president becomes ill or is impeached.
Of course don't take my word for it. I'm a simple librarian. This is what Dershowitz has to say about it.
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Sure but that's what I quoted from Dershowitz, why did you disagree?

Discussing the 25th amendment as related to Trump is not:
- a coup d'etat.
- an attack on the constitution

If they had gone for it, and it worked, then it would be "constitutional", unless ruled otherwise by the courts (?).

Why can't you debate this on the facts? Dershowitz is wrong. You disagree by...quoting Dershowitz again. That's not reasonable.

Dershowitz, who is promoting a book in that clip on Tucker Carlson, a right wing "talk show", used hyperbole.
The 25th amendment was not used, so it wasn't a coup.
 
Idiometer said:
Dershowitz was liberal and supported liberal causes right up until some liberal politicians began questioning the actions of Israel. That's all he cares about. He's a one-trick pony.
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You are free to believe whatever you wish about Dershowitz's motives.

As for myself I'm simply listening to his interpretations of constitutional law based on his experience and qualifications. The fact that he's a liberal of longstanding only gives credence to his legal insights.
 
Mach said:
Sure but that's what I quoted from Dershowitz, why did you disagree?

Discussing the 25th amendment as related to Trump is not:
- a coup d'etat.
- an attack on the constitution

If they had gone for it, and it worked, then it would be "constitutional", unless ruled otherwise by the courts (?).

Why can't you debate this on the facts? Dershowitz is wrong. You disagree by...quoting Dershowitz again. That's not reasonable.

Dershowitz, who is promoting a book in that clip on Tucker Carlson, a right wing "talk show", used hyperbole.
The 25th amendment was not used, so it wasn't a coup.
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Yet...
 
Dutch said:
You are free to believe whatever you wish about Dershowitz's motives.

As for myself I'm simply listening to his interpretations of constitutional law based on his experience and qualifications. The fact that he's a liberal of longstanding only gives credence to his legal insights.
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Nah, it probably means he's crazy or being blackmailed.
 
Dutch said:
I'm certain Trump is guilty of much but he is not known to have participated in an attempted coup against a sitting president of the U.S..
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Neither did McCabe. The 25th was DISCUSSED. Discussing options in case of dire emergency is what we should WANT people in his position to do.

No attempt was made to actually remove Trump from office.

Repeat: No attempt was made to actually remove Trump from office.

You right wing drama queens are as ridiculous as ever. It used to be cute and amusing, but I'm running out of popcorn here.

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Mach said:
Sure but that's what I quoted from Dershowitz, why did you disagree?

Discussing the 25th amendment as related to Trump is not:
- a coup d'etat.
- an attack on the constitution

If they had gone for it, and it worked, then it would be "constitutional", unless ruled otherwise by the courts (?).

Why can't you debate this on the facts? Dershowitz is wrong. You disagree by...quoting Dershowitz again. That's not reasonable.

Dershowitz, who is promoting a book in that clip on Tucker Carlson, a right wing "talk show", used hyperbole.
The 25th amendment was not used, so it wasn't a coup.
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Then your argument is with Dershowitz, not with me.

Face it. No offence but you're just some guy on the internet. I don't know about your legal qualifications.

Dershowitz, is another thing entirely.
 
Fledermaus said:
And?

This means what???

Did I ever imply Obama wasn't born on American territory?

So. You have a claim and nothing more.

You might want to can the "pedo" BS.
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Dutch said:
Ooookay.

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So You guys got nothing but Trump told us to believe creepy dershowitz b/c he believes Trump. OK.....I have no idea why you people auto-defend the creepiest crooks in the country.
 
Harshaw said:
The Department of Justice has no business attempting to recruit the Cabinet and the Vice President to ouster a President they dislike on a false pretense. "Obstruction of justice" does not satisfy the requirements of the 25th Amendment, so indeed the ouster of the President on such grounds would be unconstitutional and illegal.
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OMFG! How dense are you righties determined to be on this?

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No one ... repeat, NO ONE ... made any attempt to recruit cabinet heads or the veep. Invoking the 25th was discussed. The word discuss literally means to talk about something with another person or group of people. Talk and action are not the same thing. A coup requires action. None was taken here.

I am stunned by the amount of ignorance coming from the right on this. I know your hero Trump is a ****ing moron, but are all of his supporters just as ignorant? Seriously?

:2brickwal

:hm
 
Dutch said:
According to Dershowitz for the FBI conspirators to use the 25th amendment in an attempt to circumvent the impeachment process amounts to a coup d'etat. What's more, they knew this when they did it.

I'm going with Dershowitz on this. Sorry, internet guy.
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They didn't DO anything. Sorry, other internet guy, but Dershowitz is wrong. There is nothing illegal about discussing the 25th as a possible option.
 
Harshaw said:
Still waiting for you to specify where he said the Constitution is "unconstitutional."
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Invoking the 25th Amendment, if legal cause were found to exist, would not be an unconstitutional act. The 25th is PART OF the constitution. Dershowitz often spouts off-the-cuff "opinions" with only half of the facts. This is one of those times.
 
NeverTrump said:
So You guys got nothing but Trump told us to believe creepy dershowitz b/c he believes Trump. OK.....I have no idea why you people auto-defend the creepiest crooks in the country.
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I have no idea what your major malfunction is...

If you don't have evidence don't call someone a "pedo".
 
Idiometer said:
Invoking the 25th Amendment, if legal cause were found to exist, would not be an unconstitutional act. The 25th is PART OF the constitution. Dershowitz often spouts off-the-cuff "opinions" with only half of the facts. This is one of those times.
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Knowing the 25th Amendment as well as you do, what was the evidence that satisfied its requirements?
 
bubbabgone said:
Knowing the 25th Amendment as well as you do, what was the evidence that satisfied its requirements?
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I don't know. See there? Liberals are often able to admit that they don't know. Conservatives, not so much.

However, allow me to take a SWAG at an answer. My guess is that McCabe and/or others involved in discussing invoking the 25th were concerned about Trump's often obvious mental instability. He often seems demented. Look at any interviews with trump from 20 or 30 years ago and compare his speech pattern and word usage with today ... it's a very dramatic difference. It also could have been discussed because of the reported views of a great many psychologists' professional opinions of Trump's obvious psychoses; his narcissism, his sociopathy, his inability to see other people as materially real, etc.

Please let me know if I've gone and used too many big words.
 
Idiometer said:
OMFG! How dense are you righties determined to be on this?

:bs

No one ... repeat, NO ONE ... made any attempt to recruit cabinet heads or the veep. Invoking the 25th was discussed. The word discuss literally means to talk about something with another person or group of people. Talk and action are not the same thing. A coup requires action. None was taken here.

I am stunned by the amount of ignorance coming from the right on this. I know your hero Trump is a ****ing moron, but are all of his supporters just as ignorant? Seriously?

:2brickwal

:hm
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Dude, at best, you're saying "oh, no problem; they were just DISCUSSING fomenting a coup. NO PROBLEMO!"

Even NeverTrump knows they were, seeing as he himself bolded the part in the quote:

NeverTrump said:
McCabe says these talks went pretty far, and that they were picking out cabinent members who may or may not be "with us," which is pretty strong language and could be compared to either with the country or against it...

Andrew McCabe, the former deputy director of the FBI, has reportedly claimed that there were meetings in the Justice Department following James Comey's firing where officials discussed whether it was possible to remove Donald Trump from the presidency using the 25th Amendment.

McCabe is the first person who was involved in the meeting to admit that it happened on the record—Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, previously denied a report from the New York Times that he discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Trump.
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Trumps also afraid of losing elections.

McCabe: DoJ Held Meetings to Discuss Removing Trump Under the 25th Amendment After Comey's Firing
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And as NeverTrump's own story elucidates further:

Pelley recounted his interview with McCabe on Thursday morning: “There were meetings at the Justice Department at which it was discussed whether the vice president and a majority of the Cabinet could be brought together to remove the president of the United States under the 25th Amendment.
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So hey, they were discussing pulling a coup, but they didn't actually do it, so nothing to see here. Right?

Meanwhile, I have been perfectly consistent throughout these threads in saying that the DoJ didn't have any business even having that DISCUSSION, because indeed, they have no business doing the thing they were discussing.

But apparently you think talking up a coup is A-OK.
 
Idiometer said:
Invoking the 25th Amendment, if legal cause were found to exist, would not be an unconstitutional act. The 25th is PART OF the constitution. Dershowitz often spouts off-the-cuff "opinions" with only half of the facts. This is one of those times.
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The grounds they were discussing it under -- "obstruction of justice" -- is not legal cause under the 25th Amendment.
 
Idiometer said:
They didn't DO anything. Sorry, other internet guy, but Dershowitz is wrong. There is nothing illegal about discussing the 25th as a possible option.
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I've already pointed out what Dershowitz said. I provided a video. It was in simple english. You are now simply restating what you've already said nothing to support "your" contention much less a Harvard law professor.

I'm bored with you now. Have a nice day.
 
Harshaw said:
Dude, at best, you're saying "oh, no problem; they were just DISCUSSING fomenting a coup. NO PROBLEMO!"

Even NeverTrump knows they were, seeing as he himself bolded the part in the quote:



And as NeverTrump's own story elucidates further:



So hey, they were discussing pulling a coup, but they didn't actually do it, so nothing to see here. Right?

Meanwhile, I have been perfectly consistent throughout these threads in saying that the DoJ didn't have any business even having that DISCUSSION, because indeed, they have no business doing the thing they were discussing.

But apparently you think talking up a coup is A-OK.
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Yeah and the FBI shouldn't go to coffee shops either. :roll:
 
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