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Ideas for New US Constitutional Amendments

Which Amendment idea(s) do you like the best?

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Rich2018 said:
I don't know if I'd call it a "Vanity Position". I'd strip a lot of the trappings of the Presidency away like Air Force One, the White House - which i would make the official residence of the Speaker of the House.





Start by having the Speaker of the House appoint the cabinet - who must all be members of Congress.

The Speaker is at the political "coal face" getting his/her hands dirty on a day to day basis and basically running the country.

The best thing about this arrangement is that if the Speaker loses support in the House, they are replaced. we would never have a situation like we just had where the head of the government (the PotUSA) was locking horns with Congress.


Take Obama, a decent human being but a useless president because he was emasculated by a hostile Congress. You essentially get a lame duck president and 4-8 years of political inertia.
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That was essentially the point of the division of power and limited government power the system was setup for. You don't want to streamline the process for which the government exerts it's power over the people. The more road blocks in place the better.
 
smallvoice said:
"When you say mob rule, are you referring to incidents like Chancellorsville ?
Or perhaps southern lynch mobs ?"

That's what you get with "Majority rules...
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You think lynch mobs and the mob at Chancellorsville represent the majority ?

That's pretty depressing.
 
Nap said:
That was essentially the point of the division of power and limited government power the system was setup for. You don't want to streamline the process for which the government exerts it's power over the people. The more road blocks in place the better.
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Then what's the point of having a president if he's a lame duck ?


With regular elections for the House, we can be sure (as far as anyone can) that Congress will reflect the will of the people.


Put it this way, if we were to have a presidential election tomorrow, Trump would probably lose to any number of Democrats.
How can it be good for the country to have the head of government who lacks popular support ?
It is political inertia and weakens the country.

The founding fathers didn't know about Geo-Politics and saw things through little America blinkers.
 
Rich2018 said:
Then what's the point of having a president if he's a lame duck ?


With regular elections for the House, we can be sure (as far as anyone can) that Congress will reflect the will of the people.


Put it this way, if we were to have a presidential election tomorrow, Trump would probably lose to any number of Democrats.
How can it be good for the country to have the head of government who lacks popular support ?
It is political inertia and weakens the country.

The founding fathers didn't know about Geo-Politics and saw things through little America blinkers.
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You seem to believe in this ideal of centralized government reflecting the will of the people. I don't see that as a promising venture as that leads to a tyranny of the majority. My ideal form of government is a decentralized and limited federal government dedicated to the preservation of the Rights of it's citizens with state and local governments deciding on all other issues giving more power to the people as they have more say in how that government impacts their lives.
 
Nap said:
You seem to believe in this ideal of centralized government reflecting the will of the people. I don't see that as a promising venture as that leads to a tyranny of the majority...
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OK you're going to have to explain this "tyranny of the majority"


Give some real world examples of when it happened and where.


Why is the majority's view tyrannical, but not the minority's view ?
 
Rich2018 said:
You think lynch mobs and the mob at Chancellorsville represent the majority ?

That's pretty depressing.
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No, I said "That's what you get with "Majority rules..." Try not twist someone else's statement to fit your narrative.
 
Rich2018 said:
OK you're going to have to explain this "tyranny of the majority"


Give some real world examples of when it happened and where.


Why is the majority's view tyrannical, but not the minority's view ?
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For instance, the majority (99%) want to steal from the minority (top 1%) with complete disregard to the Liberal idea of private property rights.

A minority's view can most certainly be tyrannical, the difference is in a pure democracy representing the will of the majority completely subjugates the minority.
 
smallvoice said:
No, I said "That's what you get with "Majority rules..." Try not twist someone else's statement to fit your narrative.
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Those mob rule examples happened in the USA...which last time I checked is a republic.

So much for democracy = mob rule.
 
Nap said:
For instance, the majority (99%) want to steal from the minority (top 1%) with complete disregard to the Liberal idea of private property rights.

A minority's view can most certainly be tyrannical, the difference is in a pure democracy representing the will of the majority completely subjugates the minority.
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Do you not understand what is meant by real world ???
 
Rich2018 said:
Do you not understand what is meant by real world ???
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Says the guy that wants to confiscate a hundred million guns. :roll:
 
Rich2018 said:
Do you not understand what is meant by real world ???
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Do Democrats not run on the platform of redistribution of the property of others? They are pandering to the majority of the people in order to dehumanize and take from a minority (in this case the 1%)

An older example would be slavery. The majority of people saw nothing wrong with it as the common view at the time was that black people were subhuman.

Many of the populist programs the people of Venezuela wanted established.

Pretty much in every case that Democracy is applied it inevitably leads to the majority imposing their will on a minority in some way whether that be based on class, race, gender, sexual preference, or some other arbitrary characteristic
 
Rich2018 said:
Do you not see any advantage in separating the head of state from the head of government ?
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Not if you intend to continue a Democratic Republic. Your changes would change a republic to a weakened form of parliamentary monarchy.

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thmsprkns91 said:
Here are some ideas for New US Constitutional Amendments. I am posting this to try to see if the ideas have any point or merit of any kind and to expand and develop the ideas even further. These are only Ideas, Notes, Descriptions, and comments. Think these ideas would work in some way or form or not? Anything to be improved on or changed in some way? Know of anything to expand and develop the ideas further? There has got to be some areas for some refining and polishing up some where. Please let me know what you think of the ideas, so far.


1> State Governors after a High Majority of them, all in agreement as one (like 40 or 45 or even more State Governors) given some temporary limited US Presidential Authorities/Powers (all as one) on a issue by issue basis. [Examples: Executive Orders and Pardons]


2> Term Limits for US Congressional Senators and Representatives of a Maximum of 24 years. (Senators 4 terms, 24 years max) (Representatives 12 terms, 24 years max)


3> Balances and Limitations between Security, Privacy, and Liberty. (Too much Security would interfere with Privacy, and Liberty. Too much Liberty would cause Security to be of no effect or non-existent.)
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Benjamin Franklin [from refrigerator magnet]
(“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” - Benjamin Franklin) [Memoirs of the life & writings of Benjamin Franklin - https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/privacy]


4> Dynamic & Innovative Public Education / Evolving Public Education - Requirement to continually update and change the Public Education System to the most Optimum utilizable and applicable for all 50 states and otherwise allowing each state to form their own education system standards. (The current system is based from ideas that are from over a hundred years ago, and they do not work very well. Some states have a hard time keeping up with other states in Education.) (Public Grade School)


5> Anti-Censorship - Always providing an option in some way, shape, form or some other variation to be able to access censored Information or Content. People can view or access if they want and not if they do not want view or access whatever would normally be censored. It is understood that it is necessary to have somethings censored from public view, but what about special options to access censored information and content securely on the internet or some other option; with Exceptions for Currently Active Law Enforcement Investigations and real National Security concerns, and maybe possibly others. (This would definitely be related to Art, Entertainment, and any publications.) (The 1st Amendment does help with preventing some censorship, but it does not go far enough. Whatever the 1st Amendment does not protect, is what this idea is for and involves.)
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1. Has already been tried.
Articles of Confederation gave power to the states. Unfortunately states tend to abuse this power on an even greater level than the Fed does.
Only when the ultimate power rests in the hands of the people can a true Democratic Republic exist.
Unfortunately this also requires participation from all of the people and places a strong responsibility on every citizen.

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Unolewaya said:
1. Has already been tried.
Articles of Confederation gave power to the states. Unfortunately states tend to abuse this power on an even greater level than the Fed does.
Only when the ultimate power rests in the hands of the people can a true Democratic Republic exist.
Unfortunately this also requires participation from all of the people and places a strong responsibility on every citizen.

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I could go along with term limits, but I think they should be more like two terms of three years. More than that and you end up with professional politicians who are more concerned with their interests than the interests of the people.

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