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    Re: Emergency/No Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    what are your observations?
    That in the last 10 years I see less signs of illegals passing through. They do not really stay close to the border (around here) once they come over; its more of a quick travel though to get away from border patrol.

    I also have a friend in Palomas Mexico, who says that he used to see family come by that no longer come by since its harder to cross than it used to be.
    I also have a friend that was here illegal for decades raising his two sons. They went to Mexico to visit their sick grandpa and were unable to comeback. He then took the test, became legal. But unfortunately his kids who only knew the US as home could not comeback even then since they broke some kind of rule that disallows their entry for a good deal of time. He said that they want to comeback legally so they will wait until they can apply for citizenship.

    My take is that we need border security funding, not a wall. There should be at least a fence where physically possible, something that indicates this is the border. I mean I have accidentally crossed and had no clue. But that was a long ways from a port of entry (and years a go now that I think about it).

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    Re: Emergency/No Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by LostArtist View Post
    why is that a crisis? they are people, working... are we afraid of them working? and then buying our stuff? where is the crisis? Where's the danger?
    If the ONLY effect was that people were working then no, it wouldn't be a crisis. But that isn't the only effect is it?
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    Re: Emergency/No Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    What constitutes a “national emergency?” Trump pretty much states that a “national emergency” is contingent on whether he gets his way or not. If he cannot “get it done” any other way? Can an emergency be based on how the opposition party votes?

    To those who know the Constitution better than I, is he on solid ground stating he has the “right” to declare an “emergency?”
    If this were a true emergency he would not be tossing a decision around like a ball. It is just plain stupid. There in no emergency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    If this were a true emergency he would not be tossing a decision around like a ball. It is just plain stupid. There in no emergency.
    Agreed; emergency is not like the “get out of jail” card in Monopoly. Keep it in your pocket and play it when you think it is convenient....
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    Re: Emergency/No Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    What constitutes a “national emergency?” Trump pretty much states that a “national emergency” is contingent on whether he gets his way or not. If he cannot “get it done” any other way? Can an emergency be based on how the opposition party votes?

    To those who know the Constitution better than I, is he on solid ground stating he has the “right” to declare an “emergency?”
    He has the ability to call a national emergency.

    The border issue as it stands should not by any stretch call for a national emergency. If he does, one should worry what next.

    Open the government and stop with the hostage taking and let our elected officials negotiate.

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    Re: Emergency/No Emergency

    A decent article on why it is not an 'emergency' from the Atlantic:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...utm_source=twb

    Highlights:

    "Perhaps somebody pointed out that 15-year civil-engineering projects do not look very convincingly like emergency measures. “My house is burning! Time to begin the process of calling for design proposals for a new fire station.”

    The solution to that problem is not a lengthy process of design, tendering, land expropriation, grading, and construction. The solution is to get more adjudicators into the asylum system now. If cases are resolved fast, and border-crossers removed promptly, the surge of asylum seekers will abate, as it abated in 2015 after the Barack Obama administration cracked down on the 2014 Central American border surge."


    And reminding us it's moot now anyway since trump was forced to abandon it:

    "The idea of invoking “emergency powers” was a last grasp for the leverage Trump had already abdicated, and it had to be abandoned for fear of what the courts and public opinion would say."
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    Re: Emergency/No Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    What constitutes a “national emergency?” Trump pretty much states that a “national emergency” is contingent on whether he gets his way or not. If he cannot “get it done” any other way? Can an emergency be based on how the opposition party votes?

    To those who know the Constitution better than I, is he on solid ground stating he has the “right” to declare an “emergency?”
    He can declare an emergency for the unpaid Fed employees and try to polish his apple as their savior. The behind the back move brings the Emergency into play and perhaps a circuitous route to backdoor the Wall scheme. Never underestimate lying sh*tbags.
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    Re: Emergency/No Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The national emergency POTUS power is not in the constitution at all - it is in a law passed by congress in 1976.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nati...mergencies_Act
    And its a loophole being used to get past the limits of the Presidents power built in to the US government by the men who originally designed it.
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    Re: Emergency/No Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    And its a loophole being used to get past the limits of the Presidents power built in to the US government by the men who originally designed it.
    No. Not a loophole.
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    Re: Emergency/No Emergency

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    What constitutes a “national emergency?” Trump pretty much states that a “national emergency” is contingent on whether he gets his way or not. If he cannot “get it done” any other way? Can an emergency be based on how the opposition party votes?

    To those who know the Constitution better than I, is he on solid ground stating he has the “right” to declare an “emergency?”
    Republicans always pull that ****! Remember when W. had all those "terror alerts" prior to the 2004 election? He had to keep the little lambs scared to win the election. Plus Kerry was a horrible ****ing candidate, OMG - "John Kerry reporting for duty!".

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