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Trump v 14th Amendment

haymarket said:
Trump has no respect for the Constitution. He cannot legally do this as it is a clear and obvious contradiction with very specific language in the 14th Amendment making everyone born in the USA a citizen.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Of course, as a mentally delusional authoritarian this should not surprise anyone he would try to pull something like this just to suck up to the racist deplorables who love and support him making them believe this moron has actually done something for them.
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Extending 14th Amendment birthright citizenship to any class of persons is a momentous matter because it confers very valuable benefits and imposes very serious obligations on children who have no say in the matter and it also has long-lasting and important effects on the size and composition of the U.S. population. The executive branch’s current practice of extending birthright citizenship to nonresident aliens has never been authorized by any statute or any court decision. The legislative record left by drafters of the 14th Amendment shows that they were primarily concerned about conferring citizenship on freed slaves. While the Supreme Court has settled the matter as it applies to permanent resident aliens, it has yet to decide the matter as it applies to aliens whose presence in the United States is temporary or unlawful. As a result, Americans are justifiably upset with a policy that has become standard practice without their approval.

Because the legislative history is not decisive and there is no Supreme Court precedent, serious legal scholars and eminent jurists have argued that Congress should uses its inherent authority to define the scope of birthright citizenship. Congress can use the hearing process to promote a calm, informed, and serious discussion on the wisdom and legality of granting automatic U.S. citizenship to the children of “birth tourists,” illegal aliens, and other categories of foreign visitors who are taking advantage of a clause in the 14th Amendment that was primarily aimed at helping an entirely different class of persons.

Whatever the outcome of such a debate, and whatever form resulting legislation might take, Americans could then at least feel confident that their country’s citizenship policy had become law through the political process and that the public had a say in determining the nation’s future. Should the United States end the practice of granting automatic and universal citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil, the nation would be following a global trend already embraced by most of the world’s democracies.

https://cis.org/Report/Birthright-Citizenship-United-States

Good read.

BTW: keep your insults of others to yourself.
 
haymarket said:
You seem to have amazing difficulty with direct, head on confrontation that puts you against the wall and screams reality into your face. Again - I am speaking of Trumpkins who have been mentally damaged by excessive adoration of their demigod.
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You're being an asshole.
 
haymarket said:
You seem to have amazing difficulty with direct, head on confrontation that puts you against the wall and screams reality into your face. Again - I am speaking of Trumpkins who have been mentally damaged by excessive adoration of their demigod.
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And I keep telling you that your denigration are apparently you only speaking of yourself.

I see you still do not get it.
So let me clue you in.

Here you are telling me how the words you chose to use apply and you want me to accept that.
All the while you can not accept what the author of the 14th tells you in the Official Record how the words he used apply.
You lost as soon as you began typing your stupid opinion on this subject and don't even know it.

No, your denigration clearly only applyies to you.
 
WCH said:
Extending 14th Amendment birthright citizenship to any class of persons is a momentous matter because it confers very valuable benefits and imposes very serious obligations on children who have no say in the matter and it also has long-lasting and important effects on the size and composition of the U.S. population.
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This was settled when the specific language of the 14th made it crystal clear that ALL PERSONS born in the USA are American citizens.
 
Excon said:
And I keep telling you that your denigration are apparently you only speaking of yourself.

I see you still do not get it.
So let me clue you in.

Here you are telling me how the words you chose to use apply and you want me to accept that.
All the while you can not accept what the author of the 14th tells you in the Official Record how the words he used apply.
You lost as soon as you began typing your stupid opinion on this subject and don't even know it.

No, your denigration clearly only applyies to you.
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Your playground tactic of 'I know you are but what am I' is pretty lame.
 
haymarket said:
Your playground tactic of 'I know you are but what am I' is pretty lame.
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I see you are still confused.
Figures.
You are just wrong as usual.
 
Excon said:
I see you are still confused.
Figures.
You are just wrong as usual.
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There is no argument hidden in that personal attack.
 
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Excon said:
Wrong as usual.
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And still no argument from you proving I was wrong about anything I have written.

Every time I get involved in these pointless exchanges with you I keep forgetting that you are a relentless last worder who must always have the final say. So be my guest. Step up and say what you want and I will not respond because its a waste of time and is pointless since you fail to respond to what I have actually written.

And then you have my permission to take your faux victory lap with your theme song blaring.

Enjoy it.
 
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haymarket said:
And still no argument from you proving I was wrong about anything I have written.

Every time I get involved in these pointless exchanges with you I keep forgetting that you are a relentless last worder who must always have the final say. So be my guest. Step up and say what you want and I will not respond because its a waste of time and is pointless since you fail to respond to what I have actually written.

And then you have my permission to take your faux victory lap with your theme song blaring.

Enjoy it.
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Wrong as usual.
Either engage in honest relevant discussion or push on with your dishonest BS deflection from failing to refute anything provided.
 
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