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    Re: Thought experiment on the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    Mandatory? Who's going to make it mandatory, and who's going to enforce that? Government? Is that what you are seriously advocating here? Are you are saying that's what the NRA is seriously advocating? Seriously?

    Come on, man. This is supposed to be a serious discussion.
    ?? Some states already have mandatory training requirements for cc permits. And yeah, the state govt.

    OTOH, it's a bull**** requirement because:

    a) it assumes that people dont get training on their own

    b) that the states know how much training is "enough," (they all have different standards)

    c) training has absolutely nothing to do with reducing gun crimes...criminals dont care about or need training) a

    and d) there is no difference in gun incidents in states with mandatory training requirements and those without.
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    Re: Thought experiment on the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    If you guys are approaching this through the "natural rights" argument, the "natural right" is to be able to defend your home and self. But usually just a small modern day handgun is more than enough for that.
    I dont believe in 'natural rights.'

    And I already explained that it is certainly possible to wage a revolt against the govt and the govt (the military specifically) may not respond like you believe.

    There are many scenarios out there. Entire books on it.

    Is it likely? No. Possible? Sure. Would the populace win? Hard to say.
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    Re: Thought experiment on the Second Amendment

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    The Afghans were never satisfied with simple semi automatic weapons. They have anti-aircraft machine guns, RPGLs, and shoulder fired missiles. You want to open those up for sale on gun shows as well?
    Yeah all those IEDs amounted to nothing And all the terrorist tricks, blowing up market places, buses, infrastructure...
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    Re: Thought experiment on the Second Amendment

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    I sure wish the gun crowd would make such distinctions. For todayís NRA, any line is a slippery slope to full confiscation of all firearms.
    Every gun grabber line is a slippery slope to full confiscation.

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    Re: Thought experiment on the Second Amendment

    Curious about one point I see made here again and again, that an Originalist view of the Constitution is the essential protection of our democracy. Yet many fine jurists have argued that the words set down in the 1780's are often vague or fuzzy and through no fault of the Framers simply did not anticipate the highly technological and predominantly urban nation of 2018. The OP seems to address the need for a "living document" view of the Constitution by means of a reductio ad absurdum. It's not 1790, and we're not using farmer militias to defend the country. Other amendments have been modified by later ones, when the social changes have called for it. Some have even been repealed. The vast majority accept this and benefit from the upgrades. The Constitution we have today is stronger because it's not a rigid Napoleonic Code etched in stone. Other nations, like Australia and Canada and Scotland, have modified their laws on large-clip and assault style weapons and yet the nightmare of total confiscation hasn't happened. They still go hunting, they still have small arms for scaring off burglars, and at least two of them have not had a mass shooting since the laws changed. This seems like a successful case of nations ruled by laws, and common sense, rather than a distant voice from the 18th century. We have much to learn from them. Or we can stand around boasting how exceptional America is, while we enjoy a staggering murder and suicide rate.

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    Re: Thought experiment on the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    Mandatory? Who's going to make it mandatory, and who's going to enforce that? Government? Is that what you are seriously advocating here? Are you are saying that's what the NRA is seriously advocating? Seriously?

    Come on, man. This is supposed to be a serious discussion.
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    Re: Thought experiment on the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    Philosophers and debaters often use a tool called a "thought experiment", to help get insights on various positions and the real underlying reasons why people hold certain positions.

    I would like to propose a thought experiment here on the real motivations of gun rights supporters, to really get an understanding of what motivates them at the most fundamental level. I have been puzzled by their motivations, because on the one hand, they fight any regulations on assault weapons, bump stocks, cop killer bullets, and even advocate completely deregulating full autos. But on the other, they have no interest in taking away current regulations on tanks with live ammo on them, or other larger weapons.
    I stop reading righ there because i dont know any "gun rights supporters" that think like that . . . .not one LMAO . .

    does that mean one or more doesnt exist? of course not its possible but it shows how severely uneducated and factually inaccurate your description of sun right supporters are. Im guessing you arent from this country and you dont actually know any.
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    Re: Thought experiment on the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    The Afghans were never satisfied with simple semi automatic weapons. They have anti-aircraft machine guns, RPGLs, and shoulder fired missiles. You want to open those up for sale on gun shows as well?
    Maybe. Scared?
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    Re: Thought experiment on the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Again, I already addressed that. It's called asymmetrical warfare and terrorism.

    See: Afghanistan
    So then why are you necessarily drawing the line at seamiautomatic of full autos for what civilians can own? Why purposely keep yourself at a disadvantage? Sounds like even you realize there has to be some balance between what is safe for the public to have unlimited access to, and these doomsday scenarios you worry about so much. But seems like a pretty random place to draw a line. First, you are drawing a line, and not saying that "the right to arms shall not be infringed", which sounds pretty unconstitutional because that's not what the constitution says, but then you want weapons that are far more powerful than what most people need for defense or hunting. It doesn't make sense.

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