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The 2nd Amendment is Archaic, change my mind

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Title says it all my new friends. I am a firm believer that the 2nd Amendment as it is written is no longer feasible in 2018 America.

Thoughts?
 
Title says it all my new friends. I am a firm believer that the 2nd Amendment as it is written is no longer feasible in 2018 America.

Thoughts?

What, exactly, changed in 2018 to make you so firmly feel this way?
 
What, exactly, changed in 2018 to make you so firmly feel this way?

Nothing changed specifically in 2018, but as America stands in 2018, as of now, it is an archaic amendment as it is written.

Change. My. Mind.
 
Nothing changed specifically in 2018, but as America stands in 2018, as of now, it is an archaic amendment as it is written.

Change. My. Mind.

interesting Libertarian perspective but I saw the silly thread you started about Gun nuts. I guess if you believe that there is no violent crime and you completely trust the government then the Second is "archaic"

for those with a more realistic perspective, its certainly not archaic
 
Nothing changed specifically in 2018, but as America stands in 2018, as of now, it is an archaic amendment as it is written.

Change. My. Mind.

When, exactly, did things change to make having individual constitutional rights bother you? How does my right to own a gun affect you in any way? If your mind is made up that it is time for someone else, of course, to take away my personal property to make you feel more empowered then it is you that must change minds - not I.
 
Title says it all my new friends. I am a firm believer that the 2nd Amendment as it is written is no longer feasible in 2018 America.

Thoughts?

If you find the American Constitution so abhorrible, there are plenty of other countries you can move to. I'd bet you a soda that after a short while of living in one of your socialistic countries, you would be begging to come back to America!
 
interesting Libertarian perspective but I saw the silly thread you started about Gun nuts. I guess if you believe that there is no violent crime and you completely trust the government then the Second is "archaic"

for those with a more realistic perspective, its certainly not archaic

Surely you can see the obvious benefit to personal safety and security if only the government and criminals had guns.
 
Surely you can see the obvious benefit to personal safety and security if only the government and criminals had guns.

it would make things a lot safer for criminals-which is often the motivation behind the gun banners
 
it would make things a lot safer for criminals-which is often the motivation behind the gun banners

The OP has yet to say what part of the 2A "as written" is the problem, when it became so or what should be done about it. How is it possible to change someone's views when they have never bothered to state them?
 
The OP has yet to say what part of the 2A "as written" is the problem, when it became so or what should be done about it. How is it possible to change someone's views when they have never bothered to state them?

Throw out the whole thing
 
interesting Libertarian perspective but I saw the silly thread you started about Gun nuts. I guess if you believe that there is no violent crime and you completely trust the government then the Second is "archaic"

for those with a more realistic perspective, its certainly not archaic
lol...you just voted in the most authoritarian government we've seen since the Civil War, and guess what--all the gun nuts voted for him too.
 
Title says it all my new friends. I am a firm believer that the 2nd Amendment as it is written is no longer feasible in 2018 America.

Thoughts?

The Second Amendment was a mistake. They enacted it to appease the slave states, who feared a black uprising.
 
The Second Amendment was a mistake. They enacted it to appease the slave states, who feared a black uprising.

Wrong, in fact early gun control efforts were to keep freed slaves disarmed.
 
Wrong, in fact early gun control efforts were to keep freed slaves disarmed.

You, sir, need a History lesson.

Madison apparently revised the wording of the Second Amendment to appease slaveholders at a time when eight states had ratified the proposed Constitution, but a ninth was needed to make it official. The unity of the United States hung in the balance, with four states opposed to ratification. The last best hope of a "more perfect Union" was Virginia. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were Virginians, and slaveholders. These primary authors of the foundational documents of the fledgling Union knew what it would take to "seal the deal." Virginians would have to be assured that they could keep their slaves, which meant assuring them that they could keep their slave control militias, because the former could not survive without the latter. Other prominent Virginians, including Patrick Henry and George Mason, would also play critical roles, as we shall see.

...Blacks outnumbered whites in many areas, which meant armed militias were required to "keep the peace." Thus, Virginia's delegates demanded that the Bill of Rights include one granting white citizens the right to bear arms and form state militias.

In her book Slave Patrols: Law and Violence in Virginia and the Carolinas, Sally E. Haden explains that, with only a few exceptions such as judges, legislators and students, nearly every white man in Virginia and the Carolinas became a slave patroller between the ages 18 and 45, even physicians and ministers.

Without slave patrols, the southern police states would have collapsed.

Slavery and the Second Amendment: From Slave Patrol Militias to School Shootings
 
Havent you heard? Leftists believe there is a Nazi...a fascist...a dictator in the WH. The 2nd is more relevant now than ever before.
 
Havent you heard? Leftists believe there is a Nazi...a fascist...a dictator in the WH. The 2nd is more relevant now than ever before.

Why? Are you planning on reinstituting slavery?

The 2nd never had anything to do with a tyrannical government. It had to do with ensuring the survival of slavery via the armed slave patrol militias.

Note how the 2nd does not mention tyrannical governments at all, only the arming of a militia.
 
Wrong, in fact early gun control efforts were to keep freed slaves disarmed.

major league law professors laugh at the idiocy expressed in the slave patrol nonsense. Yale's top constitutional law scholar-Sterling Professor of Constitutional Law Akhil Reed Amar noted that some of the most anti slave states had second amendment clauses in their state constitution. Amar-a well established liberal-also noted that while the 3/5 compromise and the electoral college was a bone to the slave states, the second amendment was not
 
If you find the American Constitution so abhorrible, there are plenty of other countries you can move to. I'd bet you a soda that after a short while of living in one of your socialistic countries, you would be begging to come back to America!

So why should people in democratic countries not peaceably work to change things they disagree with? Why must they leave? The US constitution has been amended many times and doubtless will be again.
 
Havent you heard? Leftists believe there is a Nazi...a fascist...a dictator in the WH. The 2nd is more relevant now than ever before.

yeah the TDS crowd howls Trump is a dictator and they want Trump to have all the guns-that's hilarious
 
Havent you heard? Leftists believe there is a Nazi...a fascist...a dictator in the WH. The 2nd is more relevant now than ever before.
Yes yes.....it's all about politics for gun rubbers
 
major league law professors laugh at the idiocy expressed in the slave patrol nonsense. Yale's top constitutional law scholar-Sterling Professor of Constitutional Law Akhil Reed Amar noted that some of the most anti slave states had second amendment clauses in their state constitution. Amar-a well established liberal-also noted that while the 3/5 compromise and the electoral college was a bone to the slave states, the second amendment was not
Except the actual founders of the, you know, constitution are quoted debating slave patrols.

His first draft of the Second Amendment had said: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person."

But Henry, Mason and other slaveholders wanted the southern states to be able to keep their slave control militias independent of the federal government. So Madison changed the word "country" to "state," and redrafted the Second Amendment into its present form:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Slavery and the Second Amendment: From Slave Patrol Militias to School Shootings


Whoops! Fail
 
Except the actual founders of the, you know, constitution are quoted debating slave patrols.




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Got him good bro! Facts don't care about his feelings lol.
 
Got him good bro! Facts don't care about his feelings lol.

what facts have you posted yet? He posted a blog written by who?

try reading this one and get back to me

The Second Amendment Was Not Ratified to Preserve Slavery

or this

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/second-amendment-slavery-nyt-piece-misleading-claims/

In 1777, Vermont protected the right to keep and bear arms in the very same document that it used to ban slavery. Interestingly, the drafters of that charter simply copied and pasted the provision that Pennsylvania had adopted the previous year (Pennsylvania abolished slavery in 1780):

That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination, to, and governed by, the civil power.
 
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