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John Adams was perhaps our first liberal president, and we're still paying the very very high price!

Fiddytree said:
Not sure you could find anything more cliche and reductionist than pitting human history against two concepts, but okay.
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Plato/Aristotle, Jefferson /Adams, Reagan /Obama- history is the battle between freedom and govt
 
James972 said:
Plato/Aristotle, Jefferson /Adams, Reagan /Obama- history is the battle between freedom and govt
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Sure thing, buddy.

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Fiddytree said:
...And now you've contorted everyone's writing and purported thought to fit it into your bubble.
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if so why are you so afraid to show us exactly where the contortion is???
 
Fiddytree said:
Again, their disagreements were far, far more than whether or not government should do X, Y, or Z.

Jefferson was wounded by him because of what he considered personal slights,
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totally wrong!! Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican party in 1793 when they finally understood how much Hamilton and Federalists were for big govt. This was the Second America Revolution. Adams was just one Federalist among many!
 
Fiddytree said:
Lastly, you need to spend more time on intellectual history for your pronouncements to be taken seriously. Then again, as Adams so taught us, perhaps you shouldn't.
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Obviously Jefferson's pronouncements are taken very seriously and are the basis for the American Idea. Welcome to your first lesson in American History!

Here are some quotes with which to begin your educations

Jefferson:
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.

Most bad government has grown out of too much government.

Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.
 
James972 said:
who's talking about the states??? OP is about Federal govt. Do you understand?
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Lol, do you understand the federal gov is a thing called the "united states"?
 
ChrisABrown said:
Lol, do you understand the federal gov is a thing called the "united states"?
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Do you have any idea what your point is?? United states is a country, federal govt is a govt. The fed govt is not a country.
 
ChrisABrown said:
Lol, do you understand the federal gov is a thing called the "united states"?
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The term "Unites States" is plural, not singular. It would need to be singular to be the federal government. United States is a compact between the states, which is what the word "federal" means.
 
Fiddytree said:
James, what is your background?

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I've wondered this myself. I've also wondered if he thinks anyone here takes him seriously. Maybe a few do...
 
ashurbanipal said:
I've wondered this myself. I've also wondered if he thinks anyone here takes him seriously. Maybe a few do...
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why not cut the BS and try to put into words the essence of your disagreement with conservative/libertarian philosophy! How will you learn if you are afraid to try?
 
James972 said:
Do you have any idea what your point is?? United states is a country, federal govt is a govt. The fed govt is not a country.
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Umm, getting technical with semantics huh? How about this. The country is America and its federal government is the united states for America, which is also the national entity. When states are united by a compact, it becomes singular, and yes, it is federal as Tennyson writes. Which comes from "confederation".

Do we have better things to do than this? I sure hope so.
 
ChrisABrown said:
federal government is the united states for America,
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obviously wrong! the Federal govt is not the United States of America rather it is the govt of the United States of America. Now do you understand?
 
ashurbanipal said:
I've wondered this myself. I've also wondered if he thinks anyone here takes him seriously. Maybe a few do...
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the Founders took the idea of freedom and liberty very seriously. Liberals like to pretend the American idea does not exist.
 
James972 said:
the Founders took the idea of freedom and liberty very seriously. Liberals like to pretend the American idea does not exist.
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I find ignorance very entertaining, so I decided to drop in on the biggest joke subject that is on this board.It's not necessarily the subject but the humor of watching right wing Constitutional experts with their own interpretation of the constitution. From them dying and willingness to kill for the second, while at the same time ****ting on the first. They pick and choose , like they do with the bible.
 
James972 said:
Obviously Jefferson's pronouncements are taken very seriously and are the basis for the American Idea. Welcome to your first lesson in American History!

Here are some quotes with which to begin your educations

Jefferson:
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.

Most bad government has grown out of too much government.

Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.
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Funny thing about quotes you can take a line out of a whole paragraph , call it a quote but still have nothing to do with the point of the paragraph. what that means is you generally can find a corresponding quote suggesting the opposite from the same person. For instance in this case your trying to justify your hatred of your own government. Everyone on the right hates our government, that's why they elected the turd to destroy the government. Hell to get their way, they will without a doubt gamble the future of this country to get what they want. Your watching them do just that everyday with this hate group in power.
 
James972 said:
John Adams was perhaps our first liberal president, and we're still paying the very very high price!!

As a high Federalist liberal he (along with Washington and Hamilton)* believed in Platonic elite central govt ruling over the drooling masses. He appointed John Marshall to the Supreme Court who gave us Marbury v. Madison which established judicial review. Thus, 9 unelected fools for life in black robes can tell the other two branches of govt what laws they will accept. This is why all hell will break out if Judge Ginsburg dies. Everyone knows another conservative on the court will mean the entire govt of the United States is conservative. Obviously, the Supreme Court was intended to be just a co-equal* branch of a limited central govt sharing power with the states.*
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Screw John Adams... that ****ing liberal hippy!
 
jbander said:
Funny thing about quotes you can take a line out of a whole paragraph , call it a quote but still have nothing to do with the point of the paragraph. what that means is you generally can find a corresponding quote suggesting the opposite from the same person. For instance in this case your trying to justify your hatred of your own government. Everyone on the right hates our government, that's why they elected the turd to destroy the government. Hell to get their way, they will without a doubt gamble the future of this country to get what they want. Your watching them do just that everyday with this hate group in power.
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You could try to explain what Jefferson meant in his letter to Abigail Adams.
 
jbander said:
I find ignorance very entertaining, so I decided to drop in on the biggest joke subject that is on this board.It's not necessarily the subject but the humor of watching right wing Constitutional experts with their own interpretation of the constitution. From them dying and willingness to kill for the second, while at the same time ****ting on the first. They pick and choose , like they do with the bible.
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Explain the definition of negative liberty.
 
You want humor watch these right wing bubba's explain their interpretation of the constitution for you, you won't be able to stop laughing
 
jbander said:
You want humor watch these right wing bubba's explain their interpretation of the constitution for you, you won't be able to stop laughing
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You could try to explain what Jefferson meant in his letter to Abigail Adams.
 
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