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Senators are the deadliest creatures in the swamp; the longer they serve the deadlier they become:

President Donald Trump on Monday said an effort by a bipartisan group of freshman lawmakers to institute congressional term limits has his "full support and endorsement."

"I recently had a terrific meeting with a bipartisan group of freshman lawmakers who feel very strongly in favor of Congressional term limits," Trump tweeted. "I gave them my full support and endorsement for their efforts. #DrainTheSwamp."​

Trump: Push for Congressional Term Limits Has My ‘Full Support and Endorsement’
BY: Cameron Cawthorne
April 30, 2018 5:07 pm

Trump: Push for Congressional Term Limits Has My 'Full Support and Endorsement'​

President Trump must have read an article by Jon Hall who recently made the case for a Constitutional Convention and term limits. Hall’s piece was different than most in that he called for repealing the XVII Amendment:

October 10, 2017
Repairing the U.S. Senate
By Jon N. Hall

Repairing the U.S. Senate​

If Trump wants to be serious about term limits he can begin by using his bully pulpit to repeal the:

XVII AMENDMENT
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The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.
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Make no mistake about repeal’s formidable enemies:

1. The New World Order crowd.

2. Television.

Television does the dirty work for the New World Order crowd; so that makes TV the most destructive of the two.

Every senator runs for election/reelection once every 6 years. Winners AND LOSERS advertise. Assume every Senate candidate spends a minimum of one million dollars on television advertising. That amounts to television raking in approximately 200 billion tax-deductible advertising dollars every six years. My best guesstimate says that television will pocket a TRILLION advertising tax dollars in 12 years after you add in House races, three presidential elections, governors, and an assortment of state and local races. Now ask yourself “Who in hell is paying for all of the political campaign bullcrap filling up air time in-between product advertising?” The answer is “ME”.

Realistically speaking, there is not much chance the XVII Amendment will be repealed. Eliminating the advertising tax deduction is a good compromise because it will blow television out of political influence. The beautiful part is that the First Amendment is not violated. The bad part is that eliminating the advertising tax deduction has less chance of being eliminated than does repealing the 17th Amendment.

Finally, doing away with the crooks in the Senate was the XVII Amendment’s main selling point before 1913. In fact, the 17th gave the country the worst of all worlds —— long-serving crooks and U.N.-loving traitors.

Worse than crooks and traitors the XVII Amendment has been conning Americans into believing they are better off living in a democracy. Like the man said:

Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. H. L. Mencken
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p.s. There is a long-running challenge to 16th & 17th Amendments supported by evidence:

1. The Sixteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was declared ratified. The income tax amendment. It clearly was not.

2. The Seventeenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was declared ratified. It clearly was not.
​

National Archives
Seventeenth Amendment
By: Devvy Kidd
March 2010

Devvy Kidd -- National Archives — The Seventeenth Amendment — March, 2010​
 
I would like to see the list of Congressman and Senators who used/uses taxpayer money to pay off their victims of sexual harassment, abuse.

Ironically the offending lawmakers passed the law that states the list is unlawful to be made public. Talk about the swamp!

I want to know before I vote if my candidate is one who has created a sexual hostile environment in the workplace. I think every voter needs to know if Senators have used their position of power to take advantage of their underlings.

I would also like to know if lawmakers such as Senator Tester from Montana, if he himself would be on that list. Having thrown salacious and unverified accusations of sexual misconduct by Admiral Ronny Jackson, I want to know if this very Senator is himself an offender.

We all have a right to that information from both sides of the aisle.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
I stopped reading when I read "The New World Order crowd".
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To Kal’Stang: I can only tell you what I what I told Lefties who disagreed with me over the years: “Put me in you filter because you will get more of the same.”
 
Kal'Stang said:
I stopped reading when I read "The New World Order crowd".
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Are you unfamiliar with the neo con Project for the New American Century ? The plan to help the US continue its already over a century long project of raping and pillaging the wealth of the poor of the planet.

The one that had them concoct the most ridiculous, fanciful tales of being attacked by Muslim terrorists. So they invaded secular Iraq and refused to provide the tiniest scrap of evidence to Afghanistan even though officials there said they would comply if the US provided evidence.
 
camlok said:
Are you unfamiliar with the neo con Project for the New American Century ? The plan to help the US continue its already over a century long project of raping and pillaging the wealth of the poor of the planet.

The one that had them concoct the most ridiculous, fanciful tales of being attacked by Muslim terrorists. So they invaded secular Iraq and refused to provide the tiniest scrap of evidence to Afghanistan even though officials there said they would comply if the US provided evidence.
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Incorrect.
 
I would support all Senators and Congressmen serving just one term maximum.

Terms for both should be 4 years.
 
Rich2018 said:
I would support all Senators and Congressmen serving just one term maximum.

Terms for both should be 4 years.
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President should be 1 six year term, when considering the large amount of time spent on re-election efforts last half of first term Presidents.
 
Rich2018 said:
I would support all Senators and Congressmen serving just one term maximum.

Terms for both should be 4 years.
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What ever happened to the will of the people to elect their own representatives?
 
Rich2018 said:
I would support all Senators and Congressmen serving just one term maximum.
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To Rich2018: I like repealing the XVII Amendment better.


Davey said:
President should be 1 six year term, when considering the large amount of time spent on re-election efforts last half of first term Presidents.
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To Davey: Give them eight. That is the same as two terms in one election.

Floridafan said:
What ever happened to the will of the people to elect their own representatives?
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To Floridafan: That reeks of democracy.

Flanders said:
Finally, doing away with the crooks in the Senate was the XVII Amendment’s main selling point before 1913. In fact, the 17th gave the country the worst of all worlds —— long-serving crooks and U.N.-loving traitors.

Worse than crooks and traitors the XVII Amendment has been conning Americans into believing they are better off living in a democracy. Like the man said:

Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. H. L. Mencken
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We already have term limits. 2 years for reps and 6 for senators. Placing a cap on the number of times a person can be elected places a limitation on the number of times a states citizens can select someone they want to represent them. Theory holds that the reason those people go back over and over again is because they are the best candidate(as per the people of that state) for the job.


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Davey said:
President should be 1 six year term, when considering the large amount of time spent on re-election efforts last half of first term Presidents.
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Fair point, 1st term presidents pend two years on learning the job, then two years trying to get re-elected.
 
VanceMack said:
Theory holds that the reason those people go back over and over again is because they are the best candidate(as per the people of that state) for the job.
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To VanceMack: Media reelects them.

Long-serving senators like Ted Kennedy(1962 - 2009) is the best reason for repealing the XVII Amendment. He legislated and implemented more of his personal agenda than any five presidents you can name. He was the worst of a bad lot.

Kennedy had stiff competition for the title of WORST: J. William Fullbright (1945 - 1974) Joe Biden (1973 - 2009), John Kerry (1985 - 2013), Paul Sarbanes (1977 - 2007), Chris Dodd (1981 - 2011) Harry Reid (1987 - 2017) Chuck Schumer (1998 - Present) Carl Levin (1979 - 2015) Robert Byrd (1959 - 2010), Patrick Leahy (1975 - Present) Dick Durbin (1997 - Present). There are more including some Republicans.

Notice that only three sitting senators became president, while media considers every Democrat senator presidential timber. Obama had a Senate administration. Check the number of senators he appointed to key positions if you doubt me. Think about that when you look at the worst 8 years in the country’s history.

Put aside names and look at the institution itself.

Seven years after 1913, U.S. Senators were still loyal enough to put the country first. They refused to hand this country’s sovereignty to the League of Nations regardless of what Woodrow Wilson wanted. By the time the United Nations opened for business in 1945 the U.S. Senate had become a nest of traitors working for a one government world. By the time the XVII Amendment kicked in full-force with more and more long-serving senators those wonderful ELECTED senators could not hand this country’s sovereignty to the United Nations fast enough —— along with our national borders.

NOTE: The New World Order crowd realized that they could control the U.S. Senate easier, and a lot cheaper, than buying 435 members of the House every two years. The House supposedly controls the public purse, while the Senate has total control over treaties, ratifying cabinet members, ambassadors, bureaucrats, and impeachment trials. I know enough about these few U.S. Ambassadors to the U.N. the Senate ratified to see what is happening:

Adlai Stevenson
George H. W. Bush (He actually championed the New World Order.)
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Andrew Young
Madeleine Albright
Bill Richardson
Richard Holbrooke (This character was a Peace Corps official.)
John Negroponte (This guy is an expert at International Affairs!)
Susan Rice (Affectional known as Suzy Five Shows.)
Samantha Power (The ugly truth about Obama advisor Samantha Power)
 
Flanders said:
To VanceMack: Media reelects them.

Long-serving senators like Ted Kennedy(1962 - 2009) is the best reason for repealing the XVII Amendment. He legislated and implemented more of his personal agenda than any five presidents you can name. He was the worst of a bad lot.

Kennedy had stiff competition for the title of WORST: J. William Fullbright (1945 - 1974) Joe Biden (1973 - 2009), John Kerry (1985 - 2013), Paul Sarbanes (1977 - 2007), Chris Dodd (1981 - 2011) Harry Reid (1987 - 2017) Chuck Schumer (1998 - Present) Carl Levin (1979 - 2015) Robert Byrd (1959 - 2010), Patrick Leahy (1975 - Present) Dick Durbin (1997 - Present). There are more including some Republicans.

Notice that only three sitting senators became president, while media considers every Democrat senator presidential timber. Obama had a Senate administration. Check the number of senators he appointed to key positions if you doubt me. Think about that when you look at the worst 8 years in the country’s history.

Put aside names and look at the institution itself.

Seven years after 1913, U.S. Senators were still loyal enough to put the country first. They refused to hand this country’s sovereignty to the League of Nations regardless of what Woodrow Wilson wanted. By the time the United Nations opened for business in 1945 the U.S. Senate had become a nest of traitors working for a one government world. By the time the XVII Amendment kicked in full-force with more and more long-serving senators those wonderful ELECTED senators could not hand this country’s sovereignty to the United Nations fast enough —— along with our national borders.

NOTE: The New World Order crowd realized that they could control the U.S. Senate easier, and a lot cheaper, than buying 435 members of the House every two years. The House supposedly controls the public purse, while the Senate has total control over treaties, ratifying cabinet members, ambassadors, bureaucrats, and impeachment trials. I know enough about these few U.S. Ambassadors to the U.N. the Senate ratified to see what is happening:

Adlai Stevenson
George H. W. Bush (He actually championed the New World Order.)
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Andrew Young
Madeleine Albright
Bill Richardson
Richard Holbrooke (This character was a Peace Corps official.)
John Negroponte (This guy is an expert at International Affairs!)
Susan Rice (Affectional known as Suzy Five Shows.)
Samantha Power (The ugly truth about Obama advisor Samantha Power)
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The media does not reelect anyone. If the media elected people we would be discussing the Hilary Clinton presidency today.

It is a reality that incumbents have an easier job of retaining seats, but the seats are still won by the people pulling levers
 
VanceMack said:
The media does not reelect anyone. If the media elected people we would be discussing the Hilary Clinton presidency today.
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To VanceMack: Hillary was so bad she blew a walkover despite the help she got from the media. Even so, media still sells the lie that she won the popular vote.

VanceMack said:
It is a reality that incumbents have an easier job of retaining seats, but the seats are still won by the people pulling levers
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To VanceMack: Media (television) elected JFK and Bill Clinton:

Hewitt boasted that he elected two presidents.

The reporters and executives he put in charge of “60 Minutes” prior to his retirement in 2004 went on to help elect a third, President Barack Obama.

After serving as director for ultra-liberal CBS newslord Edward R. Murrow, Hewitt became producer-director of America's first televised presidential debate, which happened in 1960 between Republican Vice President Richard Nixon and Massachusetts Sen. John F. Kennedy.

Nixon won the debate handily, according to those listening on radio. Kennedy won among those who watched the slanted images Hewitt contrived to put on national television.

In his book "Presidential Debates: Fifty Years of High-Risk TV," Northeastern University Journalism Professor Alan Schroeder described how Kennedy and Nixon together had refused makeup, but before the debate began, “unknown to Nixon, Kennedy got a touch-up [i.e., makeup] from his own people.”

Nixon, years later, recounted how he and his staff were misled about the debate stage lighting, the color of its background (lightened by repainting on debate day), and hence the color of suit, shirt, and necktie he should wear. On that set, wrote media historian Erik Barnouw, Nixon appeared “haggard; the lines on his face seemed like gashes and gave a fearful look.”

Kennedy's makeup and clothing somehow were perfectly coordinated to make him look like a star on Hewitt's suddenly-changed stage set.

Hewitt’s camera shots during the debate outraged a Nixon aide in the control room. Whenever Kennedy spoke, the camera tended to stay on him. When Nixon spoke, the cameras often cut away to show Kennedy’s reaction, distracting viewers from what the Republican was saying.

Hewitt gave Kennedy 39 percent more time in such reaction shots than he gave to Nixon’s reactions while Kennedy spoke, and this made Kennedy appear to dominate the debate.

In 1992, Hewitt helped another Democratic presidential candidate win. Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton was sinking when Hewitt offered him and his wife Hillary an interview to air moments after that year’s Super Bowl on CBS, the primest of prime air time worth more than a million dollars per minute.​

Don Hewitt's Biased Specter Haunts Us
Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:23 PM
By: Lowell Ponte

https://www.newsmax.com/lowellponte/clinton-hewitt-obama/2009/08/19/id/334480/​

Television created Bill Clinton and Barack Obama before they elected them —— then went all out to deify a pervert and a traitor.

Television also stood silent after JFK stole the election in 1960.

There is no telling how many senators the media created then stood silent after they stole an election. Al Franken’s first election comes to mind.
 
Flanders said:
To VanceMack: Media reelects them.

Long-serving senators like Ted Kennedy(1962 - 2009) is the best reason for repealing the XVII Amendment. He legislated and implemented more of his personal agenda than any five presidents you can name. He was the worst of a bad lot.

Kennedy had stiff competition for the title of WORST: J. William Fullbright (1945 - 1974) Joe Biden (1973 - 2009), John Kerry (1985 - 2013), Paul Sarbanes (1977 - 2007), Chris Dodd (1981 - 2011) Harry Reid (1987 - 2017) Chuck Schumer (1998 - Present) Carl Levin (1979 - 2015) Robert Byrd (1959 - 2010), Patrick Leahy (1975 - Present) Dick Durbin (1997 - Present). There are more including some Republicans.

Notice that only three sitting senators became president, while media considers every Democrat senator presidential timber. Obama had a Senate administration. Check the number of senators he appointed to key positions if you doubt me. Think about that when you look at the worst 8 years in the country’s history.

Put aside names and look at the institution itself.

Seven years after 1913, U.S. Senators were still loyal enough to put the country first. They refused to hand this country’s sovereignty to the League of Nations regardless of what Woodrow Wilson wanted. By the time the United Nations opened for business in 1945 the U.S. Senate had become a nest of traitors working for a one government world. By the time the XVII Amendment kicked in full-force with more and more long-serving senators those wonderful ELECTED senators could not hand this country’s sovereignty to the United Nations fast enough —— along with our national borders.

NOTE: The New World Order crowd realized that they could control the U.S. Senate easier, and a lot cheaper, than buying 435 members of the House every two years. The House supposedly controls the public purse, while the Senate has total control over treaties, ratifying cabinet members, ambassadors, bureaucrats, and impeachment trials. I know enough about these few U.S. Ambassadors to the U.N. the Senate ratified to see what is happening:

Adlai Stevenson
George H. W. Bush (He actually championed the New World Order.)
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Andrew Young
Madeleine Albright
Bill Richardson
Richard Holbrooke (This character was a Peace Corps official.)
John Negroponte (This guy is an expert at International Affairs!)
Susan Rice (Affectional known as Suzy Five Shows.)
Samantha Power (The ugly truth about Obama advisor Samantha Power)
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You do realize that some of the founding fathers actually supported the idea of having the people directly elect senators.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
You do realize that some of the founding fathers actually supported the idea of having the people directly elect senators.
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To Unitedwestand13: Which ones?

It is impossible to talk about voting without talking about democracy. Logically, the Founders would have created a democracy if they thought it was the best form of government. Instead of democracy they designed a Republic, and Colonists endorsed it with relish.

Note that big government is essential to democracy. The thoughts expressed in these quotes are all the more profound because they were said more than a century before democracy-loving Democrats empowered the parasite class with tax dollars:

I do not say that democracy has been more pernicious on the whole, and in the long run, than monarchy or aristocracy. Democracy has never been and never can be so durable as aristocracy or monarchy; but while it lasts, it is more bloody than either.” Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty.” John Adams

Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few. John Adams, An Essay on Man's Lust for Power, August 29, 1763

The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived. John Quincy Adams

When the people find they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic. Benjamin Franklin

We are a Republican Government, Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy...it has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity. Alexander Hamilton

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%. Thomas Jefferson

The same prudence which in private life would forbid our paying our own money for unexplained projects, forbids it in the dispensation of the public moneys. Thomas Jefferson, letter to Shelton Gilliam, June 19, 1808

The Utopian schemes of re-distribution of the wealth...are as visionary and impractical as those which vest all property in the Crown. Samuel Adams

I place economy among the first and most important of republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared. Thomas Jefferson

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on will save one-half the wars of the world. Thomas Jefferson

The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale. Thomas Jefferson

Taxation follows public debt, and in its train wretchedness and oppression. Thomas Jefferson

Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. James Madison

Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases. Thomas Jefferson

Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread. Thomas Jefferson

The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. Thomas Jefferson​

p.s. If I never heard of this country’s Founding Fathers I would know that throughout history democracy has been the parasite’s preferred form of government.
 
Flanders said:
To Unitedwestand13: Which ones?

It is impossible to talk about voting without talking about democracy. Logically, the Founders would have created a democracy if they thought it was the best form of government. Instead of democracy they designed a Republic, and Colonists endorsed it with relish.

Note that big government is essential to democracy. The thoughts expressed in these quotes are all the more profound because they were said more than a century before democracy-loving Democrats empowered the parasite class with tax dollars:

I do not say that democracy has been more pernicious on the whole, and in the long run, than monarchy or aristocracy. Democracy has never been and never can be so durable as aristocracy or monarchy; but while it lasts, it is more bloody than either.” Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty.” John Adams

Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few. John Adams, An Essay on Man's Lust for Power, August 29, 1763

The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived. John Quincy Adams

When the people find they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic. Benjamin Franklin

We are a Republican Government, Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy...it has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity. Alexander Hamilton

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%. Thomas Jefferson

The same prudence which in private life would forbid our paying our own money for unexplained projects, forbids it in the dispensation of the public moneys. Thomas Jefferson, letter to Shelton Gilliam, June 19, 1808

The Utopian schemes of re-distribution of the wealth...are as visionary and impractical as those which vest all property in the Crown. Samuel Adams

I place economy among the first and most important of republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared. Thomas Jefferson

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on will save one-half the wars of the world. Thomas Jefferson

The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale. Thomas Jefferson

Taxation follows public debt, and in its train wretchedness and oppression. Thomas Jefferson

Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. James Madison

Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases. Thomas Jefferson

Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread. Thomas Jefferson

The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. Thomas Jefferson​

p.s. If I never heard of this country’s Founding Fathers I would know that throughout history democracy has been the parasite’s preferred form of government.
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I am talking about James Wilson and Gouverneur Morris
 
Flanders said:
To VanceMack: Hillary was so bad she blew a walkover despite the help she got from the media. Even so, media still sells the lie that she won the popular vote.



To VanceMack: Media (television) elected JFK and Bill Clinton:

Hewitt boasted that he elected two presidents.

The reporters and executives he put in charge of “60 Minutes” prior to his retirement in 2004 went on to help elect a third, President Barack Obama.

After serving as director for ultra-liberal CBS newslord Edward R. Murrow, Hewitt became producer-director of America's first televised presidential debate, which happened in 1960 between Republican Vice President Richard Nixon and Massachusetts Sen. John F. Kennedy.

Nixon won the debate handily, according to those listening on radio. Kennedy won among those who watched the slanted images Hewitt contrived to put on national television.

In his book "Presidential Debates: Fifty Years of High-Risk TV," Northeastern University Journalism Professor Alan Schroeder described how Kennedy and Nixon together had refused makeup, but before the debate began, “unknown to Nixon, Kennedy got a touch-up [i.e., makeup] from his own people.”

Nixon, years later, recounted how he and his staff were misled about the debate stage lighting, the color of its background (lightened by repainting on debate day), and hence the color of suit, shirt, and necktie he should wear. On that set, wrote media historian Erik Barnouw, Nixon appeared “haggard; the lines on his face seemed like gashes and gave a fearful look.”

Kennedy's makeup and clothing somehow were perfectly coordinated to make him look like a star on Hewitt's suddenly-changed stage set.

Hewitt’s camera shots during the debate outraged a Nixon aide in the control room. Whenever Kennedy spoke, the camera tended to stay on him. When Nixon spoke, the cameras often cut away to show Kennedy’s reaction, distracting viewers from what the Republican was saying.

Hewitt gave Kennedy 39 percent more time in such reaction shots than he gave to Nixon’s reactions while Kennedy spoke, and this made Kennedy appear to dominate the debate.

In 1992, Hewitt helped another Democratic presidential candidate win. Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton was sinking when Hewitt offered him and his wife Hillary an interview to air moments after that year’s Super Bowl on CBS, the primest of prime air time worth more than a million dollars per minute.​

Don Hewitt's Biased Specter Haunts Us
Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:23 PM
By: Lowell Ponte

https://www.newsmax.com/lowellponte/clinton-hewitt-obama/2009/08/19/id/334480/​

Television created Bill Clinton and Barack Obama before they elected them —— then went all out to deify a pervert and a traitor.

Television also stood silent after JFK stole the election in 1960.

There is no telling how many senators the media created then stood silent after they stole an election. Al Franken’s first election comes to mind.
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All well and good...and yet...

Look...if you believe that the media elects politicians, there would NEVER be an elected republican politician.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I am talking about James Wilson and Gouverneur Morris
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To Unitedwestand13: First let me say that I am not an expert on the Founding Fathers; so I had to refresh my memory.

James Wilson came close to democracy, but certainly not democracy that incorporates Socialism/Communism.

Morris was especially strong on private property which is poison to democracy.

Possession is 9/10ths of the law. Without property Rights every other Right is meaningless. Indeed, what in hell good is freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press without property Rights? (To democracy-loving parasites the Rights of criminals and Muslim combatants is more sacred than property Rights.)

Not one of the Founders would have put in with the democracy today’s parasites are advocating:

The theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property. Karl Marx (1818 – 1883) and Friedrich Engels (1820 – 1895)​


This article about Morris is as informative as any:

His distrust of democracy was shared by many if not most of the Framers, but it was of a substantially different variety from that expressed by such delegates to the Convention as Edmund Randolph and George Mason of Virginia and Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts.​

Note that Morris was right on target long before this country got a parasite class enriched by tax dollars:

He thought the people fickle, governed by their feelings and prejudices, “not to be reasoned out of their Notions.” “Expect heroism from a sheep, charity from a wolf, and music from a crow, and perhaps you may not be disappointed”; but it was futile to expect reason from the people. “Those who court the People have a very capricious Mistress. A Mistress which may be gained by Sacrifices, but she cannot be so held for she is insatiable.” He told Lafayette in June of 1789 that he was “opposed to the Democracy from Regard to Liberty,” and that the revolutionists were “going Headlong to Destruction.” Lafayette responded “that he is sensible his Party are mad, and tells them so, but is not the less determined to die with them.” That kind of attachment, combined with what Morris witnessed during the next three years. made him appreciate Americans more than he had before: in a letter to Rufus King, he referred to “the People or rather the Populace. a Thing which thank God is unknown in America.” He also maintained, in a speech written for Louis XVI that was never delivered, that “History informs us, that, both in ancient and modern times, the leaders of popular Assemblies have been bought by foreign powers, and that thus nations un-conquerable by arms, have become the victims of seduction.”
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The Political Thought of Gouverneur Morris - The Imaginative Conservative

Ultimately, regardless of how democracy starts out it ends in tyrannical government. To be precise, democracy is always going towards something worse; never towards liberty.

VanceMack said:
Look...if you believe that the media elects politicians, there would NEVER be an elected republican politician.
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To VanceMack: Media prefers Socialists/Communists. They cover their bet by nominating Republican candidates press barons can live with no matter which side wins. (John McCain and Mitt Romney were perfect Republican opponents.)

Ronald Reagan and now Donald Trump are anomalies. Media learned a lot from those defeats. So I would say there will never be another elected anomaly —— but only if print and television can silence freedom of speech on the Internet.

Parenthetically, in 2016 media had a bunch of Republicans they could live, but they picked Trump because they were certain he would be a pushover for Hillary Clinton. What you are seeing today from the establishment’s perspective is Congress and the courts correcting media’s miscalculation. Just how far Trump will rollover remains to be seen.
 
Flanders said:
...Ronald Reagan and now Donald Trump are anomalies. Media learned a lot from those defeats. So I would say there will never be another elected anomaly...
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You're forgetting Reagan was elected twice ?

So was George W Bush.


The people who vote Republican don't care what the media say - hell they're only watching Fox anyway !
 
Someone above advocated the same four year term for the Senate and House.

Bad idea. You'll end up like Maryland. We elected both houses of the legislature, and all the executive offices, at the same time for the same term. Consequently, the state Senate and House of Delegates are photocopy machines for each other. (There are other contributing reasons for the Photocopy Machine, but this is one of them.)

If you want to turn things over a bit faster, copy Australia's scheme: MPs (members of the House) have a three year term, senators a six year term, so that half of the Senate is turned over at a time (except for the four senators for the territories).

Someone told me that a four year term for the House would reduce the amount of money they raise by half for multiplying the duration by two. I told the guy that it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference as far as fundraising: they'd raise in one four year term the same amount of moolah that they raised before in two, two-year terms; that he wasn't quite thinking it through.

But back to the senators. Yes, we have some longer-serving senators, but we could at least solve the same problem in the House by eliminating gerrymandering. A "natural" term limit would result, as the electoral momentum of congressmen would be worn down after a while. There would probably be a few long-serving congressmen, but they would end up being the more adaptable ones. (Or not?) But at any rate term limits for both houses of Congress would only paper over the problem.

The senate and house were designed to provide the "checks and balances" in the system (not between the three branches equally as we think of today) because the Senate was elected for a longer term, and with a slower turnover. It was necessary to do that to represent the interests of the people of each state, and keep the populous states from getting too powerful due to their population and greater number of representatives. As a Maryland resident, I would shudder to think of what would happen otherwise. Think also that the President of the United States is today very powerful. To check the power of a four-eight year presidency, it might actually be necessary to have a congress which includes members who have been there for a while, who have built up a power base.

So it's better for now that we tolerate long-serving senators, but at least do something about the House. Or, we could have a maximum age of 80 for both houses. When you reach 80, your term in either house expires, and the seat is vacated. Problem solved without the politicians "papering over" the problem by pretending term limits will fix the real underlying problem of gerrymandering. (In the Senate there is no gerrymandering, but you could at least partially curb it with an 80 year old terminus).
 
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