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Democracy V Republic

James972 said:
-Jonah Goldberg: "In Italy they were called Fascists; in Germany they were called Nazis; in America they were called progressives" (page 81)
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And? This Goldberg was talking nonsense. History has shown that completely.
 
James972 said:
Right is for limited govt so cant be Nazi 1+1=2. Hitler ran a big powerful central govt, the opposite of Jefferson. Not libertarian at all. Do you understand now?
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You limit right wing to only a description you agree with, which is bogus and nonsensical.
 
Rich2018 said:
Take a look at the Soviet May Day parade or any parade the Chinese communists held under Mao's leadership.
Everyone has a Red flag to wave.

The Olympics were hijacked by the USSR and now China trying to win every gold medal possible - they want the world to see their nation's flag hoisted above the others at the medal ceremony.



I don't think Mussolini's Italy or Franco's Spain had much in the way of racial ideology - that was really just a Nazi thing.


But yes I grant you, Nazis, Fascists and military dictators focus more on the nation and their movement is more about the leaders than in proletariat regimes like Stalin's or Moa's.


Chinese communist parade - Google Search
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Patriotism is not the same as ultra nationalism
Fascism is ultra nationalist, communism wants a post nationalism world but will action in national interest until it achieves that end.
 
Peter King said:
You limit right wing to only a description you agree with, which is bogus and nonsensical.
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Yes a fascist theocracy is what he longs for, fortunately that will not happen
 
James972 said:
insanity!! Mussolini started as a socialist then became a socialist fascist. there never was a hint of libertarian conservative right wing there.
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Mussolini left the socialists then started the Fascist party
But by your reasoning (if we could even call what goes through your head reasoning) then George Washington was a monarchist because he fought with the British forces in the French and Indian war.
 
James972 said:
-Jonah Goldberg: "In Italy they were called Fascists; in Germany they were called Nazis; in America they were called progressives" (page 81)
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In America they were called Russian Trolls, in Russia they were called patriots, in reality they were stooges for Putin.
 
Peter King said:
You limit right wing to only a description you agree with, which is bogus and nonsensical.
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I limit it to actual or primary definitions used by leading conservatives like Jefferson Sumner Buckley Friedman Hayek. If you use secondary or tertiary definitions you must always state you are being trivial and irrelevant. Now do you understand?
 
Quag said:
Mussolini left the socialists then started the Fascist party
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both virtually identical statist parties to our Founders who were anti statist or libertarian. 1+1=2
 
James972 said:
I limit it to actual or primary definitions used by leading conservatives like Jefferson Sumner Buckley Friedman Hayek. If you use secondary or tertiary definitions you must always state you are being trivial and irrelevant. Now do you understand?
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Nope your definition of conservativism is actully a form of fascist theocracy and pretend that anything else is liberalism/communism/socialism which you in your extreme ignorance think are all the same thing

So tell me again how Goerge Washington was a monarchist
 
Quag said:
George Washington was a monarchist because he fought with the British forces in the French and Indian war.
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at that time he did support monarchy. Notice the way a conservative is made to feel like a kindergarten teacher when talking to a liberal?
 
James972 said:
both virtually identical statist parties to our Founders who were anti statist or libertarian. 1+1=2
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You ignorance of history knows no bounds
 
Quag said:
Nope your definition of conservativism is actully a form of fascist theocracy
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our Founders created a limited or libertarian govt,not a fascist theocracy in anybody's estimation unless that person was really really slow. 1+1=2
 
Rich2018 said:
But a constitutional republic is a form of democracy...specifically a form of representative democracy.
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SIAP. Two-Hundred-Four pages to this thread... OK, the larger the country the government is attempting to govern, the better equipped the government is to govern if it is a republic vs. democracy.
 
James972 said:
at that time he did support monarchy. Notice the way a conservative is made to feel like a kindergarten teacher when talking to a liberal?
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What????
Thats impossible if he supported the monarchy at one time in his life he must have always been a monarchist!!! After all according to you Mussolini was a socialist at one point and thus was always a socialist

1+1=2
 
James972 said:
our Founders created a limited or libertarian govt,not a fascist theocracy in anybody's estimation unless that person was really really slow. 1+1=2
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Sorry but you hate the founders ideology. You want to control how people think. You even started a thread wanting to make certain ideologies illegal

Thats isnt conservative that is fascist and you want to base it on your evil and immoral religous beliefs that makes it theocratioc
 
James972 said:
you ignorance of history shows no bounds

(this is a liberals idea of debating)
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When you post garbage like Mussolini was a socialist or that Jesus taught Aristotle what do you expect???
 
Quag said:
When you post garbage like Mussolini was a socialist or that Jesus taught Aristotle what do you expect???
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oh no it is you who posts garbage!

(this is a liberals idea of debate)
 
James972 said:
notice the way a conservative is always made to feel like kindergarten teacher?

Why Aristotle was the first conservative - The Rebel
Why Aristotle was the first conservative - The Rebel
Jan 11, 2016 - So what did the first conservative, Aristotle, think? Aristotle was taught by Plato, but like many students since, he turned from the Dark Side.
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That's exactly right. Aristotle was able to master the force better than Yoda, but the leftist Jedis didn't want an independent thinker who thought for himself. They sent Yoda and Windoo to earth to deal with "the problem" the young Aristotle presented. You see prior to Aristotle no one knew how to think; people just assumed their cognitive abilities came from the Gods of Olympus. Of course we all know now that that pantheon of gods just represented the Jedi Council of the time. Anyway, so when Aristotle discovered the plot against him, the Sith Lord Darth Plagueis seized this opportunity to train the young philosopher. True story.
 
James972 said:
I limit it to actual or primary definitions used by leading conservatives like Jefferson Sumner Buckley Friedman Hayek. If you use secondary or tertiary definitions you must always state you are being trivial and irrelevant. Now do you understand?
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So you used biased views to justify your biased views, how typically nonsensical and bogus.
 
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