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Democracy V Republic

Master PO said:
as i stated earlier in this thread....the u.s. was based on the roman republic.
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on balance you would rate that as mostly false given our Founders referenced Locke and Montesquieu mostly and other Enlightemnebnt thinkers far more than Rome.
 
James972 said:
on balance you would rate that as mostly false given our Founders referenced Locke and Montesquieu mostly and other Enlightemnebnt thinkers far more than Rome.
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well since rome was a mixed government, and the founders created america to be a mixed government, i count myself and what i said as being correct.

James Madison backs me up

The Federalist No. 40


On the Powers of the Convention to Form a Mixed Government Examined and Sustained

New York Packet
Friday, January 18, 1788
[James Madison]

To the People of the State of New York:

THE second point to be examined is, whether the convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.
 
Master PO said:
democracy is collective and based on the group
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depends if you are talking about :

Direct democracy.
Representative democracy.
Presidential democracy.
Parliamentary democracy.
Authoritarian democracy.
Participatory democracy.
Islamic democracy.
Social democracy.
 
James972 said:
depends if you are talking about :

Direct democracy.
Representative democracy.
Presidential democracy.
Parliamentary democracy.
Authoritarian democracy.
Participatory democracy.
Islamic democracy.
Social democracy.
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lol.....

any government where the power of law making in placed in the interest of one group....is collective.

democracy places the power of 1 in the hands of the people, and that makes for an unstable government
 
Master PO said:
well since rome was a mixed government, and the founders created america to be a mixed government, i count myself and what i said as being correct.
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Our Founders were Enlightenment thinks far more than Roman thinkers so you are mostly mistaken.
 
Master PO said:
democracy places the power of 1 in the hands of the people, and that makes for an unstable government
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obviously depends on what definition of democracy you are using. 1+1=2
 
James972 said:
obviously depends on what definition of democracy you are using. 1+1=2
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democracy is of the people, america was not created a democracy because the the government was created a mixed government to bar the collective capacity of the people from making law
 
Master PO said:
lol, james you will never get around that both roman republic and the American republic were both mixed governments.
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they were and nobody denies it but our Founders were Enlightenment thinkers and relied more on other Enlightenment thinkers than Roman thinkers. Sorry!
 
James972 said:
they were and nobody denies it but our Founders were Enlightenment thinkers and relied more on other Enlightenment thinkers than Roman thinkers. Sorry!
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LOL, James you know very little

Madison laid the foundation of the constitution 3 months before the convention and he got his thoughts from books he read which he borrowed from Jefferson on governments

Madison knew monarchy, oligarchy and democracy did not work which is why he looked to rome and its mixed govenment
 
Master PO said:
LOL, James you know very little

Madison laid the foundation of the constitution 3 months before the convention and he got his thoughts from books he read which he borrowed from Jefferson on governments
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and that is your evidence that I know very little?? How??? since I didn't mention it let alone agree or disagree with it??????????????
 
Master PO said:
Madison knew monarchy, oligarchy and democracy did not work which is why he looked to rome and its mixed govenment
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Madison looked to Enlightenment thinkers as did other Founders and Locke was easily most important of them. Do you understand?



John Locke (29 August 1632 - 28 October 1704) was an English philosopher and physician regarded as one of the most influential of Enlightenment thinkers, especially concerning the development of political philosophy. His writings influenced Voltaire and Rousseau, but most importantly, the American revolutionaries.
 
James972 said:
Madison looked to Enlightenment thinkers as did other Founders and Locke was easily most important of them. Do you understand?



John Locke (29 August 1632 - 28 October 1704) was an English philosopher and physician regarded as one of the most influential of Enlightenment thinkers, especially concerning the development of political philosophy. His writings influenced Voltaire and Rousseau, but most importantly, the American revolutionaries.
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james the founders created a mixed government, that cannot be denied
 
Master PO said:
james the founders created a mixed government, that cannot be denied
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Are you self-aware enough to see you have created a straw man?
 
Master PO said:
james are you aware, you are not taken seriously
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you blindly created a straw man, got caught caught red handed, then were reduced to personal attack, and I am not taken seriously??
 
Master PO said:
james your notion will not work, give it up
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my notion is you blindly created a straw man, got caught caught red handed, then were reduced to personal attack, and then you say I am the one not taken seriously??
 
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