Was the Constitutional Convention really a Coup?

camlok · May 20, 2018

Terryj said:
Again, all you do is complain and offer no solution.

And all you, and most Americans do, is whine about how bad things are for you. How do you think the lives of all the people the US has slaughtered could be improved?

What about ... ?

The US did "offer" solutions for the poor defenseless countries - a USA brutal, vicious right wing dictatorship and death squads.

No, it is not at all that, Terry. It is a lie from beginning to end. It should be easy to show how the US is a beacon of freedom. Point out the countries that the US brought freedom to, say, in SE Asia, Central and South America, Africa, the Middle East, the Far East, Hawaii,

So, you can stick your head in the sand, flaying your arms around and offer no real input as to how to fix the problem

WOW!!! Talk about sticking your head in the sand!!

and then you can complain we people take steps to fix the problems,

Good work, "we people". The US plundering others wealth continues unabated and "we people" sit around whining about a screwed up US political system.

ChrisABrown · May 22, 2018

James972 said:
It mostly was it seems. The Articles had been a huge success at limiting central govt. They contained amendment procedures, to amend the Articles, but every time the liberals tried to use them to expand the power of the central govt they failed. That is when they finally gave up and went outside the ratification process and subversively called their own convention. Who showed up? Liberals who wanted to expand the power of central govt. As soon as the conservatives saw how dangerous the new Constitution was [ Jefferson and Madison, mostly] they formed the Republican Party in 1792 to fight against liberal big govt, and Republicans have been carrying on the battle ever since.

That was the year the Bill of Rights (BOR) was ratified.

Our record of history is not good enough to show us any struggle that went on trying to get aspects NOT listed in the BOR, or the reasons they were not listed or any controversy associated with such effort.

Maybe the fight was not strictly against "liberal big govt" but rather a restriction on a right that the factions supporting such government could take advantage of to create tyranny.

James972 · May 22, 2018

StuPedaso said:
Told what truth?

that new Constitution would result in huge central govt with communists like Obama Sanders and Warren about to take over.

James972 · May 22, 2018

StuPedaso said:
Told what truth? And, just in case you've never noticed, The Articles of Confederation nor The Constitution establish capitalism or Christianity as the default economy or religion for these United States. .

sure they did. The Commerce Clause was designed to further free trade , not socialism.

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people”. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

– John Adams

James972 · May 22, 2018

ChrisABrown said:
Our record of history is not good enough to show us any struggle that went on trying to get aspects NOT listed in the BOR, or the reasons they were not listed or any controversy associated with such effort.

lunacy of course our record of history is very well preserved in millions of primary documents that we saved from the period

James972 · May 22, 2018

ChrisABrown said:
Maybe the fight was not strictly against "liberal big govt" but rather a restriction on a right that the factions supporting such government could take advantage of to create tyranny.

poor English no idea what you are trying to say

James972 · May 22, 2018

camlok said:
It should be easy to show how the US is a beacon of freedom..

extremely easy. we won world war 2 and brought freedom to Europe and Japan, won the cold war, and most recently freed 1.4 billion in Red CHina. The USA is the source of goodness on earth. We police the world without which civilization would disappear very quickly.

James972 · May 22, 2018

camlok said:
The US plundering others wealth continues unabated.

if this was true the liberal would not be so afraid to provide his best example. What should we learn from his fear?

James972 · May 22, 2018

Terryj said:
As for me, I would like to see a Constitution convention called for by the States,.

very dangerous idea since we have have no idea what the result would be. Probably a lot more welfare or communism

Irwin Corey · May 22, 2018

James972 said:
very dangerous idea since we have have no idea what the result would be. Probably a lot more welfare or communism

It would go one way or the other, the other being a total take over by the oligarchs with ensuing slavery for everyone but the 1%. Since the golden rule is those with the gold rule, it's much more likely to go extremely bad and end in the enslavement of all but the privileged few ... world wide.

James972 · May 23, 2018

StuPedaso said:
It would go one way or the other, the other being a total take over by the oligarchs with ensuing slavery for everyone but the 1%. Since the golden rule is those with the gold rule, it's much more likely to go extremely bad and end in the enslavement of all but the privileged few ... world wide.

so you want to go back to something like the Articles of Confederation wherein federal power was so limited that it would impossible for liberal oligarchs to take over? Good for you!!

Irwin Corey · May 23, 2018

James972 said:
so you want to go back to something like the Articles of Confederation wherein federal power was so limited that it would impossible for liberal oligarchs to take over? Good for you!!

No, didn't say that. Agreeing that a Constitutional Convention would be a bad idea, but for different, and more plausible, reasons.

James972 · May 24, 2018

StuPedaso said:
IF the ratifying colonists would have foreseen the ravages of unbridled Capitalism and Fundamentalist Christianity there would have been at least two more Amendments in the Bill of Rights.

you mean 100 million smart phone supercomputers in our pockets shows the ravages of capitalism? See why say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

Irwin Corey · May 24, 2018

James972 said:
you mean 100 million smart phone supercomputers in our pockets shows the ravages of capitalism? See why say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

You're just showing your ignorance. Those supercomputers and smartphones wouldn't exist if not for the GOVERNMENT FUNDED space program.

James972 · May 24, 2018

StuPedaso said:
IF the ratifying colonists would have foreseen the ravages of unbridled Capitalism and Fundamentalist Christianity there would have been at least two more Amendments in the Bill of Rights.

I see ravages of fundamentalist Islam but not Christianity?? Care to give us your best example or just parroting what someone told you to say? Are you opposed to the 10 Commandments? Love thy neighbor as thyself? Christianity is the source of morality. Did the silly liberal think it came from the Girl Scouts?

James972 · May 24, 2018

StuPedaso said:
You're just showing your ignorance. Those supercomputers and smartphones wouldn't exist if not for the GOVERNMENT FUNDED space program.

dear, you said ravages of capitalism. What are the ravages if not our ability to afford smart phone super computers?

James972 · May 24, 2018

StuPedaso said:
You're just showing your ignorance. Those supercomputers and smartphones wouldn't exist if not for the GOVERNMENT FUNDED space program.

actually we know from Soviet, East German, and Red Chinese govt planning it doesn't work. Did you notice they all switched to capitalism. Its been in all the papers.

Irwin Corey · May 24, 2018

James972 said:
I see ravages of fundamentalist Islam but not Christianity?? Care to give us your best example or just parroting what someone told you to say? Are you opposed to the 10 Commandments? Love thy neighbor as thyself? Christianity is the source of morality. Did the silly liberal think it came from the Girl Scouts?

Have you noticed when someone is losing an argument that they change the subject. Unlike you I do my own thinking, I'm a voracious reader that listens little to entertainment news like Fox or MSNBC. But, I'll play along, I think the 10 Commandments are a great starting point to a life well lived. When it comes to atrocities no religion beats Christianity. Dear Jesus Christ … save me from Christians.

James972 said:
dear, you said ravages of capitalism. What are the ravages if not our ability to afford smart phone super computers?

Funny but since the Neo-Cons took over in the Reagan years Americas debt when up exponentially and it's decline really got going. We actually were never more prosperous than after WWII when the affects of the New Deal really took hold.

James972 said:
actually we know from Soviet, East German, and Red Chinese govt planning it doesn't work. Did you notice they all switched to capitalism. Its been in all the papers.

Actually they have become Oligarchy's much like what the super rich have planned for my beloved USA.

James972 · May 24, 2018

StuPedaso said:
When it comes to atrocities no religion beats Christianity. Dear Jesus Christ … save me from Christians.
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you said our Founders would have had law against Christianity if they had seen its ravages. What ravages for 2nd time. Afraid to tell us?

James972 · May 24, 2018

StuPedaso said:
Funny but since the Neo-Cons took over in the Reagan years Americas debt when up exponentially and it's decline really got going. We actually were never more prosperous than after WWII when the affects of the New Deal really took hold.
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you said founders would have had laws against ravages of capitalism?? For second time? What ravages?? Are you afraid to tell us?

James972 · May 24, 2018

StuPedaso said:
Actually they have become Oligarchy's much like what the super rich have planned for my beloved USA.

you said central planning worked. I explained to you USSR, East Germany, Red China switched to capitalism because central planning killed 200 million. Do you understand this?

Thomas Jefferson:
Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.

Irwin Corey · May 24, 2018

James972 said:
you said our Founders would have had law against Christianity if they had seen its ravages. What ravages for 2nd time. Afraid to tell us?

No I did not.

James972 said:
you said founders would have had laws against ravages of capitalism?? For second time? What ravages?? Are you afraid to tell us?

No I did not.

Here IS what I said.

IF the ratifying colonists would have foreseen the ravages of unbridled Capitalism and Fundamentalist Christianity there would have been at least two more Amendments in the Bill of Rights.

By which I meant they would have been more clear about our economic system and separation of church and state. And BTW, you missed the qualifications "unbridled" and "fundamentalist"; fyi - more of your own reality, I guess.

James972 said:
you said central planning worked. I explained to you USSR, East Germany, Red China switched to capitalism because central planning killed 200 million. Do you understand this?

No I did NOT!

Man, you're posting 2 and 3 to my one and creating your own reality in the process; didn't mean to ruffle your feathers that badly.

Terryj · May 25, 2018

James972 said:
I see ravages of fundamentalist Islam but not Christianity?? Care to give us your best example or just parroting what someone told you to say? Are you opposed to the 10 Commandments? Love thy neighbor as thyself? Christianity is the source of morality. Did the silly liberal think it came from the Girl Scouts?

James, the ravages of Christianity started to rear its ugly head soon after the Constantine proclaimed it the State religion in 325 AD. The total destruction of anything that wasn't Christian, temples, books and factions of Christianity that didn't conform to Constantine's Orthodox view. This ravage continues today, anything that doesn't meet with "Christian" ideas are demonized. How many cultures has Christianity destroyed, the answer, every culture it come in contact with, there is no difference between what Islam is doing today than what Christianity has done, just the name change.

prometeus · May 25, 2018

James972 said:
I see ravages of fundamentalist Islam but not Christianity??

Yea, bigotry and poor education do that.

Love thy neighbor as thyself?

Unless the neighbor is Muslim eh?

Christianity is the source of morality.

More of your ignorant uneducated drivel. I guess for you even the 10 Commandments are a product of
Christianity.

James972 · May 27, 2018

prometeus said:
More of your ignorant uneducated drivel. I guess for you even the 10 Commandments are a product of
Christianity.

Jesus and Luther taught the 10 commandments to billions thus establishing morality as the basis for post Roman civilization. Do you understand?

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