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    Re: Was the Constitutional Convention really a Coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by Atheist 2020 View Post
    The average American in the 1770's was taller, better educated, and paid 25% less taxes then there counter-point in the United Kingdom.
    I don't think those were significant issues to Thomas Jefferson when he wrote the Declaration of Independence. Do you understand?

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    Re: Was the Constitutional Convention really a Coup?

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    freedom from big liberal central govt. This is what all of human history is about. It is why our genius founders gave us a limited central govt ie so it would never be a liberal central govt. Do you understand?
    I believe you would be happy being in the Stone Age as government was really small.
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    Re: Was the Constitutional Convention really a Coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by Atheist 2020 View Post
    I believe you would be happy being in the Stone Age as government was really small.
    govt was really small in America based on our Founders idea that govt had been the source of evil in human history.

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    Re: Was the Constitutional Convention really a Coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    govt was really small in America based on our Founders idea that govt had been the source of evil in human history.
    Remember, in 1776 it was the question about Liberty. In 1789, the constitution without the Bill of Rights, was design to settle questions dealing with property rights. The Office of President, the Congress and the courts were designed to make stable laws and customs dealing with property rights. At the time, slaves were property and were written into the constitution. Only African Americans are written within the constitution and written as a negative dialog
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    Re: Was the Constitutional Convention really a Coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by Atheist 2020 View Post
    Remember, in 1776 it was the question about Liberty.
    yes, and the Constitution ultimately secured that liberty by restricting the central govt to a few enumerated powers on theory that central govt had been the source of evil in human history. Do you understand now? I don't think you will ever get an opportunity like the one I am offering you. Please take advantage of it

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    Re: Was the Constitutional Convention really a Coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    yes, and the Constitution ultimately secured that liberty by restricting the central govt to a few enumerated powers on theory that central govt had been the source of evil in human history. Do you understand now? I don't think you will ever get an opportunity like the one I am offering you. Please take advantage of it
    If you look at the constitution without the Bill of Rights, there is no talk about liberty, no talk about human rights, no talk about civil rights. When the first Congress meet for the first time, there was nothing stopping them from doing whatever they wanted.
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    Re: Was the Constitutional Convention really a Coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by Atheist 2020 View Post
    If you look at the constitution without the Bill of Rights, there is no talk about liberty, no talk about human rights, no talk about civil rights. When the first Congress meet for the first time, there was nothing stopping them from doing whatever they wanted.
    no idea what your subject is or what your point is??

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    Re: Was the Constitutional Convention really a Coup?

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    no idea what your subject is or what your point is??
    When has anyone sued for civil rights, or human rights from the main body of the constitution of 1789?
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    Re: Was the Constitutional Convention really a Coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    So did our genius founders!


    -15)The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.

    I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.
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    Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
    I prefer this quote by Edmund Burke from On the Revolution in France, "the effect of liberty to individuals is that they may do what they please; we ought to see what it will please them to do before re risk congratulations, which may be soon turned into complaints."

    What you see as liberty I see as the power of the rich over everyone else. I want that power and that wealth to be restricted by a large, powerful, and expensive government that reflects majority opinion.

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    Re: Was the Constitutional Convention really a Coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    no, it was created by liberals who believe in govt, not freedom. Do you understand?
    Government can increase the freedom of employees by restricting that of their employers.

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