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We have a Second Amendment. Why do we have any security problems in our free States?

James972 said:
you lack integrity you pick the part of a sentence that supports your prejudice and ignore the rest. You have no shame.
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projecting much? The People are the whole militia. Well regulated militia militia are declared necessary, not the whole People and unorganized militia.
 
danielpalos said:
Why do gun lovers have a problem with mustering and being Necessary to the security of a free State.
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I am not sure you understand what a "free state" means in the Second Amendment. Your collective argument would be valid if "free country" had not been changed to "free state." Free country=collective right. Free state=individual right.
 
Tennyson said:
I am not sure you understand what a "free state" means in the Second Amendment. Your collective argument would be valid if "free country" had not been changed to "free state." Free country=collective right. Free state=individual right.
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Free States are Only obligated to follow Union rules, when they are in our Constitution.
 
danielpalos said:
Free States are Only obligated to follow Union rules, when they are in our Constitution.
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The term "free state" in the eighteenth century meant free from despotic rule, and in the Second Amendment, it meant free from a despotic federal government.
 
Tennyson said:
The term "free state" in the eighteenth century meant free from despotic rule, and in the Second Amendment, it meant free from a despotic federal government.
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Up to a point, it does. States make their own laws and don't need the general government, to do their job, for them.
 
Why not muster the militia until crime goes down?

No need to grab guns, at all.

And, California would have recourse to additional manpower, to help with State security issues.

In my opinion, well regulated militia should also be available to assist with wildfire support and suppression.

Better aqueducts, better roads, and more well regulated militia!
 
Should our senior elders insist our legislature simply organize as much of the militia as may be necessary, to better ensure the security of our free State.

Should the "trouble-making punks" in the eighteen to forty-five year old age range, be required to muster and present Arms, and become more well regulated?
 
danielpalos said:
Should our senior elders insist our legislature simply organize as much of the militia as may be necessary, to better ensure the security of our free State.

Should the "trouble-making punks" in the eighteen to forty-five year old age range, be required to muster and present Arms, and become more well regulated?
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Founders said "the right of the people to bear arms" and encouraged that right once their Constitution was enacted. You barely know English so why make a fool of yourself trying to twist their words when we know exactly what they meant. If you don't like guns why not think of a logical reason and stop insanely pretending like a tiny child you know what they really meant!
 
James972 said:
Founders said "the right of the people to bear arms" and encouraged that right once their Constitution was enacted. You barely know English so why make a fool of yourself trying to twist their words when we know exactly what they meant. If you don't like guns why not think of a logical reason and stop insanely pretending like a tiny child you know what they really meant!
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The people are the militia; i am referring to the security of a free State, not natural rights. You are simply clueless and Causeless, like usual for the right wing.
 
James972 said:
Founders said "the right of the people to bear arms" and encouraged that right once their Constitution was enacted. You barely know English so why make a fool of yourself trying to twist their words when we know exactly what they meant. If you don't like guns why not think of a logical reason and stop insanely pretending like a tiny child you know what they really meant!
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danielpalos said:
The people are the militia; i am referring to the security of a free State, not natural rights. You are simply clueless and Causeless, like usual for the right wing.
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Moderator's Warning:
Both of you knock off the attacks.
 
danielpalos said:
our Second Amendment clearly states what the Intent and Purpose is. It is not about natural rights.
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Is this quote of Washington consistent with the Second Amendment in your opinion Daniel?

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danielpalos said:
Sure. Well regulated militia are declared necessary to the security of a free State.

It does not say, the unorganized militia is necessary in any way.
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he asked about quote, guote does not mention militia. You are being dishonest again. Good luck in your after life
 
James972 said:
he asked about quote, guote does not mention militia. You are being dishonest again. Good luck in your after life
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i don't have to appeal to ignorance in Any vacuums of special pleading, unlike the right wing.

Our Second Amendment clearly enumerates what is Necessary to the security of a free State. It is not, the unorganized militia.
 
ChrisABrown said:
Is this quote of Washington consistent with the Second Amendment in your opinion Daniel?
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No...because that's a fake quote. Here's the real quote....

"...A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies."

Spurious QuotationsÂ*·Â*George Washington's Mount Vernon​


He was talking about well organized and "uniform" militias which was consistent with the 2nd amendment.
 
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James972 said:
he asked about quote, guote does not mention militia. You are being dishonest again. Good luck in your after life
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The quote was fake. The real quote most certainly refers to militias.
 
danielpalos said:
Sure. Well regulated militia are declared necessary to the security of a free State.

It does not say, the unorganized militia is necessary in any way.
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It doesn't have to.
 
"shall not be infringed"....

in·fringe
[inˈfrinj]

VERB
infringed (past tense) · infringed (past participle)
actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.).
"making an unauthorized copy would infringe copyright"
synonyms: contravene · violate · transgress · break · breach · commit a breach of · disobey · defy · flout · fly in the face of · ride roughshod over · kick against · fail to comply with · [more]
act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on.
"his legal rights were being infringed" · [more]
synonyms: undermine · erode · diminish · weaken · impair · damage · compromise · limit · curb · check · place a limit on · encroach on · interfere with · disturb · disrupt · trespass on ·
 
danielpalos said:




It is clearly a failure of State legislatures to organize the militia. We simply need to improve the ratio of well regulated militia to unorganized militia.

Better aqueducts, better roads, and more well regulated militia!
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Oh look, it's a strawman!!! SELFIE TIME EVERYONE!!!
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danielpalos said:
lol. Yes, it does. Our federal Constitution is one of specifically enumerated powers.
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So when are you liberals going to start adhering to it?
 
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