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We have a Second Amendment. Why do we have any security problems in our free States?

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danielpalos

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
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It is clearly a failure of State legislatures to organize the militia. We simply need to improve the ratio of well regulated militia to unorganized militia.

Better aqueducts, better roads, and more well regulated militia!
 
danielpalos said:




It is clearly a failure of State legislatures to organize the militia. We simply need to improve the ratio of well regulated militia to unorganized militia.

Better aqueducts, better roads, and more well regulated militia!
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You can certainly start organizing and regulating a militia... but that doesn't mean you can't prevent "the people" from their right to bare arms... because the only way the state can organize a well regulated militia with any sort of reliability and ESPECIALLY with little and short notice... "the peoples' right to bear arms is necessary and shall not be infringed.

Otherwise the federal government can screw the states and the free people out of being able to organize a militia, by restricting weapons.

And it's smart to say the state has the right to a well regulated militia... because a large band of Anarchic Marauders would be quite dangerous.
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danielpalos said:




It is clearly a failure of State legislatures to organize the militia. We simply need to improve the ratio of well regulated militia to unorganized militia.

Better aqueducts, better roads, and more well regulated militia!
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The term "State" in the context of the Constitution refers to the nation, unless plural (10th Amendment "States") or clearly specific (6th Amendment "of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed...").

As far as I can see, we are still a free nation, and we are free within the various sovereign States that make up the United States.

Let me know when the country becomes a fascist, communist, or other totalitarian dictatorship; or perhaps a divine right absolute monarchy, and then we'll have something to talk about.

Meanwhile, I'll make sure to keep supporting the individual right to keep and bear arms so that if one of those situations starts to rear it's ugly head, we citizens can band together and fight to oppose it.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
The term "State" in the context of the Constitution refers to the nation, unless plural (10th Amendment "States") or clearly specific (6th Amendment "of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed...").

As far as I can see, we are still a free nation, and we are free within the various sovereign States that make up the United States.

Let me know when the country becomes a fascist, communist, or other totalitarian dictatorship; or perhaps a divine right absolute monarchy, and then we'll have something to talk about.

Meanwhile, I'll make sure to keep supporting the individual right to keep and bear arms so that if one of those situations starts to rear it's ugly head, we citizens can band together and fight to oppose it.
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this is a States' right:

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
 
It would help if you started with reading and understanding what the term 'well regulated' actually means.
 
danielpalos said:
i have; everyone with your point of view; the right wing position, was simply, full of fallacy.
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Obviously, and not shockingly...you havent.
 
danielpalos said:
obviously, i have. your position is simple fallacy and an appeal to ignorance.
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The Founders, you know, the ones who wrote and ratified the Constitution, all owned personal firearms. They saw it as their individual right.
 
danielpalos said:
Only in State Constitutions, not our Second Amendment.
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"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
 
Waddy said:
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
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No, it wasn't. natural rights are recognized by State Constitutions with recourse available to our federal Constitution, for Due Process purposes.
 
Waddy said:
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
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You believe the words of the founding terrorists???
 
danielpalos said:
No, it wasn't. natural rights are recognized by State Constitutions with recourse available to our federal Constitution, for Due Process purposes.
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"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
 
Waddy said:
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
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natural rights are recognized by State Constitutions with recourse available to our federal Constitution, for Due Process purposes.
 
danielpalos said:
natural rights are recognized by State Constitutions with recourse available to our federal Constitution, for Due Process purposes.
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"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
 
We have a Second Amendment that is responsible for the murders of how many millions of Americans?

But remember, we are a kind, loving, benevolent people who never ever wage war against our world neighbors.
 
Waddy said:
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
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So what. Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions with recourse available via Due Process.

All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.
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danielpalos said:
So what. Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions with recourse available via Due Process.
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All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.
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Exactly !!!! Sam says it best;

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
 
danielpalos said:
Our Second Amendment is the exception to the rule.
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See? Your thinking isn't working out here either: you don;t know what you're talking about.
 
jet57 said:
See? Your thinking isn't working out here either: you don;t know what you're talking about.
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you claim that, but have nothing but fallacy.

our Second Amendment clearly states what the Intent and Purpose is. It is not about natural rights.
 
danielpalos said:
you claim that, but have nothing but fallacy.

our Second Amendment clearly states what the Intent and Purpose is. It is not about natural rights.
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Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions with recourse available via Due Process.
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You don't know what you're talking about.
 
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