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Does Constitution make liberalism illegal?

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Sure it does by restricting our government to a very few enumerated powers.
 
James972 said:
Sure it does by restricting our government to a very few enumerated powers.
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Depends on your definition of Liberalism, the constitution is based on the fundamental principals of Liberalism from the age of enlightenment.
 
The utter lack of understanding in the OP might be the most damning argument against letting people vote for their government that I have ever seen.
 
OP really really really needs to learn the meaning of the words Liberalism and conservatism
Being willfully ignorant is no excuse
 
Jesse Booth said:
The utter lack of understanding in the OP might be the most damning argument against letting people vote for their government that I have ever seen.
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He does (unintentionally) make a good argument for some kind of knowledge test in order to be eligible to vote
 
Nap said:
Depends on your definition of Liberalism, the constitution is based on the fundamental principals of Liberalism from the age of enlightenment.
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when we talk today we use today's definitions. Do you understand? You cant really use the word's definition from a certain time in history and expect listeners to know what you are talking about.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Do you even know what a classical liberal is?
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sure but it has nothing to do with OP which is about whether Constitution makes liberalism( ie big govt) illegal. Do you understand?
 
Jesse Booth said:
The utter lack of understanding in the OP might be the most damning argument against letting people vote for their government that I have ever seen.
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are you saying that the Constitution does not in effect make liberalism illegal thanks to the enumerated powers?
 
MrWonka said:
You could at least try and sound like you're attempting to make a coherent point.
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are you saying that the constitution is neither a conservative or liberal document?
 
Jesse Booth said:
No, the constitution does not make any idea illegal. Do you understand now?
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why do you say that given that the whole idea of the Constitution was to make big liberal govt illegal?
 
James972 said:
why do you say that given that the whole idea of the Constitution was to make big liberal govt illegal?
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First off, an -ism and a governmental body are not the same thing. Even if our big government, not a law or two the Supreme Court hasn't had time to strike down, but the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT were unconstitutional (which it is not), that would in no way, shape or form make it illegal to believe in liberal policies.

Nothing in our constitution forbids abortion, welfare, gay marriage, or any other policies our government has on the books - not on a noteworthy scale, at any rate. It's quite likely that there's an unconstitutional law here or there at the state or local level that just hasn't come to anyone's attention. There's one law in one of the states that forbids women from knitting while fishing, so that's definitely definitely discrimination on the basis of one's sex. But for the most part, our government isn't against the laws of our government.

Whether or not our government is in a form that the founders wanted is an entirely different story. Hell, a lot of them didn't even like the end result of what we signed into law in 1776 & they had to go back to the drawing board. I certainly think that the majority of the founders would be downright ashamed of us if they were around to discover the Patriot Act, NSA, and the fact that the Land of the Free has the largest prison population in the world. But in law, wording is all that matters; the intent doesn't have to reflect the views of long-dead legislators that didn't even agree with each other when they were alive. Jefferson even disagreed with himself, given that he flopped on the issue of the federal government only being able to do exactly what the constitution allowed it when he made the Louisiana Purchase.

In summary, no. Our government, which is the end result of centuries of bipartisan legislation under the limitations set forth in our constitution & enforced by the US Supreme Court & various lower courts is not unconstitutional. It is troublingly large, particularly in terms of the military, but it is neither liberal nor unconstitutional. And even if it WERE both liberal and unconstitutional, the very political philosophy of liberalism would not be unconstitutional.
 
Jesse Booth said:
ENTIRE GOVERNMENT were unconstitutional (which it is not), that would in no way, shape or form make it illegal to believe in liberal policies.
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yes and no you can be a communist but if you act accordingly ie violent over throw or spy it is illegal. And you really cant hold office since you must take an oath to preserve and defend Constitution. Libcommies cant honestly take oath since they oppose Constitution. Do you understand?
 
Jesse Booth said:
Nothing in our constitution forbids abortion, welfare, gay marriage, or any other policies our government has on the books -
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of course that's not true Constitution says all things not referred to in Constitution are reserved for states or people. Welcome to your first lesson in the Constitution.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I certainly think that the majority of the founders would be downright ashamed of us if they were around to discover the Patriot Act, NSA, and the fact that the Land of the Free has the largest prison population in the world.
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wrong they would be ashamed because liberals subverted their Constitution by making central govt so huge.
 
Jesse Booth said:
First off, an -ism and a governmental body are not the same thing. Even if our big government, not a law or two the Supreme Court hasn't had time to strike down, but the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT were unconstitutional (which it is not), that would in no way, shape or form make it illegal to believe in liberal policies.

Nothing in our constitution forbids abortion, welfare, gay marriage, or any other policies our government has on the books - not on a noteworthy scale, at any rate. It's quite likely that there's an unconstitutional law here or there at the state or local level that just hasn't come to anyone's attention. There's one law in one of the states that forbids women from knitting while fishing, so that's definitely definitely discrimination on the basis of one's sex. But for the most part, our government isn't against the laws of our government.

Whether or not our government is in a form that the founders wanted is an entirely different story. Hell, a lot of them didn't even like the end result of what we signed into law in 1776 & they had to go back to the drawing board. I certainly think that the majority of the founders would be downright ashamed of us if they were around to discover the Patriot Act, NSA, and the fact that the Land of the Free has the largest prison population in the world. But in law, wording is all that matters; the intent doesn't have to reflect the views of long-dead legislators that didn't even agree with each other when they were alive. Jefferson even disagreed with himself, given that he flopped on the issue of the federal government only being able to do exactly what the constitution allowed it when he made the Louisiana Purchase.

In summary, no. Our government, which is the end result of centuries of bipartisan legislation under the limitations set forth in our constitution & enforced by the US Supreme Court & various lower courts is not unconstitutional. It is troublingly large, particularly in terms of the military, but it is neither liberal nor unconstitutional. And even if it WERE both liberal and unconstitutional, the very political philosophy of liberalism would not be unconstitutional.
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notice the way you keep avoiding the issue. Constitution limited govt power since Founders believed govt power was source of evil on earth. Why do you think our liberals spied for Stalin, gave him the bomb, and elected Obama despite 3 communist parents.
 
James972 said:
when we talk today we use today's definitions. Do you understand? You cant really use the word's definition from a certain time in history and expect listeners to know what you are talking about.
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Fair enough, I'm just not a fan of how the term Liberalism has been corrupted.
 
James972 said:
why do you say that given that the whole idea of the Constitution was to make big liberal govt illegal?
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Your posts just get sadder and sadder.
 
James972 said:
sure but it has nothing to do with OP which is about whether Constitution makes liberalism( ie big govt) illegal. Do you understand?
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News flash there home-boy, the conservatives have been BIG GOVERNMENT for decades.

So in "conservatism" illegal too?

Cause I'd be fine with that.
 
Jesse Booth said:
You know he's just ****ing with us, right?
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Hadn't been following the conversation. Other then the OP, and responses to my posts I haven't read any of the discussion. I assumed he was a troll from the OP and didn't figure the conversation would be worth the attention.
 
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